AMD Puts Pressure On Intel In PC Gaming With New Socket For Two Dual-Core Processors

mascarilha disse:
Opterons vao existir em AM2 de seu nome opteron 1200s :D :

Não é por nada, mas a série "1200" é o FX-64.
Não vão existir outros Opteron's, nem mais CPU's com 1MB de L2 por core para AM2. Foi dado apenas como exemplo de CPU's DDR2 (1207/AM2).
Não suportarão mais do que um socket por motherboard (1P), pelo que não suportam o "4x4".

Ah, e esse tidbit tem orígem numa folha de referências e exemplos da AMD:
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/1884_large_optyF3.png

Ali também metem a série 8xxx no mesmo saco, e não esperas ver mobos desktop com 4 ou 8 sockets, ou esperas ?
 
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sim estes opterons nao suportam o 4x4 mas sao opterons para AM2 , sao é só dual core nao vai haver opterons single core para Am2.

para a plataforma 4x4 em principio so os 22xx and 82xx series e k dao.

o FX-64 é outro CPU .


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Isso vai ser o FX-64 do OC dos tesos tal como o meu opteron 144 rapidamente virava FX-55
A AMD sabe que vem ai as vacas magras
É preciso reforçar o bang for the buck da gama
 
timber disse:
Isso vai ser o FX-64 do OC dos tesos tal como o meu opteron 144 rapidamente virava FX-55
A AMD sabe que vem ai as vacas magras
É preciso reforçar o bang for the buck da gama

nem mais é isso tudo , é o mesmo k se passou com os opterons soket 939 mas em AM2 so vai existir opterons dual core , ou seja os FX-64 dos "pobres" :D

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mascarilha disse:
nem mais é isso tudo , é o mesmo k se passou com os opterons soket 939 mas em AM2 so vai existir opterons dual core , ou seja os FX-64 dos "pobres" :D

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Excepto que desta vez serão mais caros do que os FX e não o contrário.
Vão ser usados em motherboards como esta, com slot's PCI-X (PCI tradicional de 64bits, não PCI-Express), controladores RAID para SCSI e SAS/SATA:
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Por alguma razão a AMD decidiu acabar com todas as CPU's de 1MB+1MB de L2 em AM2 e s939 excepto os FX...
 
Vao ser mais caros k os FX-64????


penso k os opterons Am2 vao ser usados em kualker Board AM2 com suporte para dual core , nao???

Axo k nao faz sentido fabricarem boards de proposito para os Opterons Am2


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mascarilha disse:
Axo k nao faz sentido fabricarem boards de proposito para os Opterons Am2


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Pensa lá comigo... Os Opterons são CPU's de SERVIDORES o pessoal "armado em esperto" é que se agarrou aos 939 porque overclockavam bem...
 
God_Lx disse:
Pensa lá comigo... Os Opterons são CPU's de SERVIDORES o pessoal "armado em esperto" é que se agarrou aos 939 porque overclockavam bem...


sim mas os opterons para servidores k levam boards diferentes teem sokets diferentes nao e a mesma coisa ,

tipo:

na altura dos opterons 939 tinhas os tais opterons para servidores e esses tb levavam boards diferentes mas a soket era 940 é diferente .

Até Tinhas mesmo modelo de opterons mas com sokets diferentes (940 e 939) .


tal como agora vao sair os novos Socket F para servidores e depois tens os opterons AM2 , penso k seja assim.


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Vão sair ? Já se viu alguma coisa ? Talvez... Mas até lá n iam ficar nos 939 n era ? Quanto aos Opterons de servidores terem outro Socket é verdade, mas tb havia boards para servers 939, daí os CPU's terem aparecido...
 
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God_Lx disse:
mascarilha o rumor já existia há montes de tempo... A confirmação é k nickles :P

ja te meti a confirmaçao dos socket F no post de cima e ja agora :

Socket F processors will be available in models x210, x212, x214, x216, x218 and x220 which are 1.8, 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6 and 2.8GHz parts, respectively.
Availability is expected July 17th, 2006 under embargo from approved distributors while retail availability is expected August 1st, 2006.


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Porreiro ;) Isso é que eu não tinha visto... Mesmo assim acho k será um desperdicio termos dois dual-cores numa board caso eles não avancem com algo como o Inverse-HT pq senão vamos lá ter cores a dormir completamente...
 
yep aki esta o k eu dizia , vai haver 3 "familias" de opterons , uma delas (1000series) para AM2 :


Three AMD Opteron families will be available at launch: 1000, 2000 and 8000. 1000 series processors will be Socket AM2 based and replace the existing AMD Opteron 100 series. 2000 series will be Socket F based and aimed towards dual processor systems. 8000 series will be available for four and eight way processor configurations. All three AMD Opteron series will be available as dual-core only. Socket F marks the death of single-core AMD Opteron processors.

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God_Lx disse:
então esses serão os novos 144/146/148 e os outros os verdadeiros Opterons para servidores...


sim é isso só k estes novos opterons AM2 pelos vistos so vai haver em dual core , ou seja os antigos 165/170/175


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blastarr disse:
Excepto que desta vez serão mais caros do que os FX e não o contrário.

Muito dificilmente isso irá acontecer. Estando o FX previsto para um preço de 999$ e sabendo-se que os preços das séries de Opterons é sempre a subir, 1xxx<2xxx<4xxx<8xxx, o Opteron "single processor" (1xxx) não pode ser mais caro que o FX, caso contrário todos os Opterons ficariam caríssimos, preços mesmo absurdos. Basta olhar para a concorrência e verificar que não faz sentido.

Vão ser usados em motherboards como esta, com slot's PCI-X (PCI tradicional de 64bits, não PCI-Express), controladores RAID para SCSI e SAS/SATA:

Podem ser usados em boards como essa caso o intuito do sistema exija os slots que ela traz mas nada obriga a que seja uma board dessas.

Por alguma razão a AMD decidiu acabar com todas as CPU's de 1MB+1MB de L2 em AM2 e s939 excepto os FX...

..à excepção do Opteron da série 12xx. Mesmo sendo apenas um FX com clocks mais baixos, a AMD tem que ter oferta para Workstations de gama de entrada que irão usar AMD2. O socket F é apenas para sistemas Multi CPU, da série 22xx para cima. Não seria com sistemas destes que a AMD iria competir pelo mercado das workstations de "entry level", right?
 
A propósito dos Quad Core e do consumo. Não se enquadra bem nesta thread mas não encontrei nenhuma a falar dos Quad Core...se calhar escapou-me lol
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Software Makers Praise AMD’s 4x4 Initiative.
AMD’s Multi-Socket Enthusiast Platform Receives Compliments


Advanced Micro Devices, the world’s No.2 maker of x86 microprocessors, said Monday its multi-socket enthusiast platform called 4x4 has received praises from software makers, primarily game or entertainment-oriented application developers. The announcement comes on the day when Intel plans to release its new Xeon processors based on the new micro-architecture.

Performance at Any Cost

“We’re looking at a decidedly multi-core processor, multi-threaded application future for the PC industry. AMD has planned this enthusiast platform so that software developers can design outstanding multi-threaded applications for consumers who demand the very best immersive computing experience.” said Bob Brewer, corporate vice president, desktop business, AMD.

According to a statement by AMD, such software developers as Bioware, Cakewalk, Crytek, Havok, Irrational Games, Midway, Nero and Sony have been working on software applications and games to take advantage of multi-core processors and benefit from AMD’s direct connect architecture.

While there are much more software designers, who have been creating applications that take advantage of multi-threading on systems featuring several processors or processing engines, AMD implies that titles from the aforementioned companies would be able to take advantage of the 4x4 – AMD’s multi-socket platform for enthusiasts, which should offer increased performance, but at a pretty high price-point.

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AMD plans to offer enthusiast capability of utilizing two dual-core or even quad-core AMD Athlon 64 FX processors on a single mainboard, which is likely to boost performance in certain situations. The cost of such system will be very high, as AMD Athlon 64 FX-series processors cost around $1000 each, however, the 4x4 represents “performance at any cost” approach, which should dethrone the Intel Core 2 Duo and Extreme processors, which are likely to outstrip AMD’s offerings, according to some analysts.

AMD still did not provide any guidance regarding the 4x4 availability.

Crysis to Take Advantage of 4x4

“With Crysis, our flagship title, we are pushing the boundaries of game-physics, intelligent combat AI and cinematic visuals. Crysis will be an experience culminated in next-generation hardware when utilized with a multi-core system like AMD’s highly anticipated 4x4 enthusiast platform,” said Cevat Yerli, president and chief executive of Crytek, the developer of the popular Far Cry game.

AMD stressed that multi-threaded games are among the first applications to see immediate advantages from using multi-socket, multi-threaded architectures like the upcoming 4x4 enthusiast platform. However, the chipmaker also positions its AMD 4x4 platform as a solution for high-performance workstations, for instance, for those used to edit videos.

“AMD’s combination of HyperTransport™ technology and an integrated memory controller gives us the bandwidth we need to see impressive performance scaling on multi-core systems. Because of Direct Connect Architecture, an AMD 4-core, multi-socket solution should help Sony Vegas 6 users edit high definition video with unparalleled responsiveness and use effects that would have been unthinkable on earlier hardware,” said Curtis Palmer, senior vice president, chief technologist, Sony Media Software.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20060626004842.html

O 4x4 esta-se a mostrar poderoso.... muito poderoso :D
Pena que seja so para FX, mas certamente se dará volta a isso :D
 
Addendum - Software Developers Embrace Upcoming AMD Platform

“BioWare is committed to delivering truly amazing next–generation gaming experiences. Our future title “Dragon Age™” is an excellent showcase of what we can deliver by combining our BioWare Eclipse Engine™ with its multi-core design philosophy with the power of an AMD four-core, multi-socket architecture,” said Trent Oster, director of technology at BioWare Corporation.

“Cakewalk is excited to see AMD’s plans to add significant computing power to desktops. Multiple socket architectures supporting four available CPU processor cores means that professional quality audio solutions, formerly available only to high-end audio studios, can be available to everyone,” said Ron Kuper, CTO, Cakewalk, Inc. “The ability of SONAR 5 to take advantage of AMD’s Direct Connect Architecture means that audio enthusiasts, DJ’s and musicians can create, mix and author original material without worrying about the constraints and limitations of their computer.”

"Now that AMD is planning a four-core, multi-socket architecture, Havok’s HydraCore™ physics technology will be able to tap into a set of programming resources for PC games that we have never been able to take advantage of before,” said Jeff Yates, VP of product management at Havok. “This architecture will allow us to deliver more performance and ultimately more creative freedom to today’s top game developers who rely on Havok to enhance their game-play experience.”

“The future of gaming is multi-core, and with BioShock we have aggressive plans for an impressive multi-core future,” said Chris Kline, lead programmer, Irrational Games. “Because of architectures like Direct Connect Architecture from AMD, we can now develop games with visuals, physics, AI, and audio that were not possible before.”

"Now that AMD is planning a 4-core, multi-socket architecture, we are able to process more gaming threads simultaneously and greatly increase our frame rates as well as lowering the requirements on the OS to allow it to continue processing important system level functions,” said Mark Caldwell, executive producer at Midway Home Entertainment. “With Rise & Fall we saw an improvement of 10 frames per second (FPS) and a 30 percent reduction running the OS on a two-core system, and 15 FPS and more than 75 percent reduction on a four-core system."

“Nero 7 Ultra Suite applications support multi-core environments and our digital media enthusiasts can look forward to experiencing the true advantages offered by products like the upcoming AMD 4x4 enthusiast platform,” said John Tafoya, Vice President of Nero Inc. “Those who require the highest performance multi-core digital media applications can expect increased performance and time savings with the first multi-socket and multi-core desktop platform powered by AMD Althon processors. The 4x4 enthusiast platform is expected to offer excellent performance for our customers who demand nothing short of the very best.”
 
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