AMD to Give RV770 a Refresh, G200b Counterattack Planned

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Power and Innovation to Drive High-End GPUs in 2009

The year 2008 so far, has been very eventful for the graphics card market. A reinvigorated GPU lineup by ATI, brought in some fierce competition to NVIDIA, which resulted in a tug-of-war with pricing graphics cards in the market, with either company refusing to lose on grounds of pricing. This event, coupled with the announcement of several game titles by game publishers, resulted in bumper-sales of graphics cards, giving the present state of the global economy little or no relevance.

The months to come hold the same amount of importance for both AMD and NVIDIA, where the next round of competition begins with successors to current high-end products being slated. NVIDIA is expected to continue with its monolithic high transistor-count GPU design methodology, while AMD could bring in a little change to the way it uses two efficient GPUs to build powerful products.





The change AMD is planning on is using a Multi-Chip Module (MCM), a design similar to the one on Intel microprocessors, where Intel has been making some of its quad-core processors using two dual-core dice on an MCM.

The module facilitates faster interconnection between the GPU cores, than if the cores were to communicate over a PCI-Express bridge chip, or using internal CrossFire ports. This would result in a single GPU with two dice, in essence, a dual-core GPU. The RV870 would be the first to support an MCM design, with unit cores featuring 25% more stream-processors than its predecessor, while upping the rated shader compute power to 1.5 TFLOP/s.

In effect, it could feature a 512-bit GDDR5 memory bus, support DirectX 11, and OpenCL (Compute language, a GPGPU API). According to this projection, AMD could be out with a DirectX 11 GPU at least six months ahead of NVIDIA, although it remains to be seen if there are any games that come out that soon to take advantage of the technology. Between Q3 and Q4 2009, AMD could plan on a dual-MCM setup, bringing together two such cores with two unit cores each.

On to the green camp, and NVIDIA seems to have concrete plans to respond to AMD, with the GeForce GTX 270, and GeForce GTX 290 planned for this quarter. The two new SKUs are based on a 55nm silicon fabricated G200, the G200b, also known as GT206. Within this quarter itself, NVIDIA plans to prepare a dual-GPU card based on G200b cores, to lead its front. In Q1 2009, the company is planning its transit to the 40nm silicon process, with GT212. There’s little known about this chip, while GT216 in Q2 shows NVIDIA incorporating GDDR5 memory across a wide memory bus. This will also be the time when NVIDIA plans a dual-GPU card out of these chips. Finally in Q4, comes GT300, the next generation GPU from NVIDIA that brings in support for DirectX 11.

Year 2009 along with the rest of 2008, promise to be times when both graphics giants take computational power to the next level. It remains to be seen, if NVIDIA is able to deliver the punch, in order to rebuild whatever ground it lost to AMD, or if AMD goes for the kill with its innovation. Either way, these are good times for the buyers.








AMD to Give RV770 a Refresh, G200b Counterattack Planned


The RV770 graphics processor changed AMD's fortunes in the graphics processor industry and put it back in the race for supremacy over the larger rival NVIDIA. The introduction of RV770-based products had a huge impact on the mid-range and high-end graphics card markets, which took NVIDIA by surprise. Jen-Hsun Huang, the CEO of NVIDIA has been quoted saying that they had underestimated their competitor’s latest GPU, referring to RV770. While the Radeon HD 4870 graphics accelerator provided direct competition to the 192 shader-laden GeForce GTX 260, the subsequent introduction of a 216 shader variant saw it lose ground, leaving doubling of memory size to carve out the newer SKU, the Radeon HD 4870 1GB. Performance benchmarks of this card from all over the media have been mixed, but show that AMD isn’t giving up this chance for gaining technological supremacy.

In Q4 2008, NVIDIA is expected to release three new graphics cards: GeForce GTX 270 and GeForce GTX 290. The cards are based on NVIDIA’s G200 refresh, the G200b, which incorporates a new manufacturing technology to facilitate higher clock-speeds, stepping up performance. This looks to threaten the market position of AMD’s RV770, since it’s already established that G200 when overclocked to its stable limits, achieves more performance than RV770 pushed to its limits. This leaves AMD with some worries, since it cannot afford to lose the wonderful market-position its cash-cow, the RV770 is currently in, to an NVIDIA product that outperforms it by a significant margin, in its price-domain. The company’s next generation graphics processor would be the RV870, which still has some time left before it could be rushed in, since its introduction is tied to the constraints of foundry companies such as TSMC, and the availability of the required manufacturing process (40nm silicon lithography) by them. While TSMC takes its time working on that, there’s a fair bit of time left, for RV770 to face NVIDIA, which given the circumstances, looks a lost battle. Is AMD going to do something about its flagship GPU? Will AMD make an effort to maintain its competitiveness before the next round of the battle for technological supremacy begins? The answer is tilting in favour of yes.



AMD would be giving the RV770 a refresh, with the introduction of a new graphics processor, which could come out before RV870. This graphics processor is to be codenamed RV790 while the possible new SKU name is kept under the wraps for now. AMD would be looking to maintain the same exact manufacturing process of the RV770 and all its machinery, but it would be making changes to certain parts of the GPU that genuinely facilitate it to run at higher clock-speeds, unleashing the best efficiency level of all its 10 ALU clusters.

Déjà-vu? AMD has already attempted to achieve something similar, with its big plans on the Super-RV770 GPU, where the objective was the same: to achieve higher clock speeds, but the approach wasn’t right. All they did back then, was to put batches of RV770 through binning, pick the best performing parts, and use it on premium SKUs with improved cooling. The attempt evidently wasn’t very successful: no AMD partner was able to sell graphics cards that ran stable out of the box, in clock-speeds they set out to achieve: excess of 950 MHz.

This time around, the objective remains the same: to make the machinery of RV770 operate at very high clock-speeds, to bring out the best performance-efficiency of those 800 stream processors, but the approach would be different: to reengineer parts of the GPU to facilitate higher clock speeds. This aims to bring in a boost to the shader compute power (SCP) of the GPU, and push its performance. What gains are slated to be brought about? Significant and sufficient. Significant, with the increase of reference clock-speeds beyond those of what the current RV770 can reach with overclocking, and sufficient for making it competitive with G200b based products.

With this, AMD looks to keep its momentum as it puts up a great competition with NVIDIA, yielding great products from both camps, at great prices, all in all propelling the fastest growing segment in the PC hardware industry, graphics processors. This is going to be a Merry Xmas [shopping season] for graphics cards buyers.


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The change AMD is planning on is using a Multi-Chip Module (MCM), a design similar to the one on Intel microprocessors, where Intel has been making some of its quad-core processors using two dual-core dice on an MCM.

Eu já li em qualquer sitio o Big Boss da AMD a dizer que RV870 será um single chip e não um MCM, será que mudaram de estratégia?
 
The change AMD is planning on is using a Multi-Chip Module (MCM), a design similar to the one on Intel microprocessors, where Intel has been making some of its quad-core processors using two dual-core dice on an MCM.

Eu já li em qualquer sitio o Big Boss da AMD a dizer que RV870 será um single chip e não um MCM, será que mudaram de estratégia?

Não.
Simplesmente 90% do conteúdo da notícia é pura especulação infundada sobre os produtos futuros da AMD e da Nvidia.
Não há nenhuma solução MCM em desenvolvimento em ambos os casos porque simplesmente não faz qualquer sentido numa GPU, quer em termos técnicos, quer em termos económicos (ficaria sempre mais caro desenvolver um packaging de duas dies separadas do que ter as duas GPU's a usar o mesmo packaging dos modelos single-GPU mais baratos, apenas montados num PCB diferente).
Uma GPU moderna já é uma colecção alargada de centenas de processadores vectoriais ligados em paralelo, e a AMD apenas optou por não desenvolver uma GPU monolítica de topo nas gerações RV6xx e RV7xx por motivos puramente financeiros.
Pessoalmente, acho que o "V" na RV870 é um "bluff", aposto mais no retorno a uma solução monolítica com 1200 a 1600 stream processors em 40nm.
E as Geforce GTX 270/290 também são "bluff". Aposto antes na solução 384bit/384 scalar processors com clocks elevados + memória GDDR5 para a GT212 a 40nm.
Até porque em ambos os casos os processadores vectoriais elementares terão capacidades substancialmente ampliadas, para garantir compatibilidade com o DX11, e, portanto, o seu número em bruto não é passível de extrapolação a partir da quantidade de scalar/stream processors existentes nas GPU's DX10 actuais de cada fabricante.

Já nas CPU's x86 o caso muda de figura, porque os cálculos onde se utilizam tipicamente são bem mais complexos (mas muito menos paralelizáveis) do que os que correm dentro de uma GPU.
É como tentar justificar o uso de maçãs numa fábrica de sumo de laranja...

P.S.:
Acho que a especulação em torno do MCM na AMD se confundiu com a das suas CPU's futuras, essas sim, muito provavelmente vão recorrer a esse tipo de solução para combater os actuais Core 2 e os futuros "Nehalem" para o socket LGA 1156 (quanto ao LGA 1366, nem pensar, a AMD não tem recursos nem microarquitectura para chegar perto sequer...).
 
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Pois mas isso é off-the-budget :P

Secalhar a Nvidia surpreende em performance e preço com este novo processo de fabrico,e não falta assim tanto pra sairem(já tive com esta o ano inteiro e ainda dá pra desenrascar).

Pela lógica,a GTX270 será melhor que a GTX260,certo?
 
Pois mas isso é off-the-budget :P

Secalhar a Nvidia surpreende em performance e preço com este novo processo de fabrico,e não falta assim tanto pra sairem(já tive com esta o ano inteiro e ainda dá pra desenrascar).

Pela lógica,a GTX270 será melhor que a GTX260,certo?

Parece-me que o que o Blastarr disse tem lógica e esta notícia é especulação, agora se a Nvidia sair com algo melhor que o que tem e que a concorrencia podes ter a certeza que se te surpreender no preço será pq sai mais cara >(.
 
Acho que não vou estar enganado:
RV790 Samples Carry Faster Memory

Having taped out late last year, samples based on the new RV790 graphics processor have been doing rounds in the industry. A few more details have surfaced about it. Earlier noted to have identical clock speeds to that of the RV770XT (Radeon HD 4870), the RV790 samples are now known to have higher memory clock speeds.

While the Radeon HD 4870 has its memory frequency at 900 MHz GDDR5 (effective 3.60 GHz), the samples carry memory clocked at 975 MHz (effective 3.90 GHz).

Interestingly the memory chips on the sample, labeled IDGV1G-05A1F1C-40X, made by Qimonda, are specified to run at 1.00 GHz, reaching the 4 GHz effective memory speed mark.
The samples feature 1 GB of memory.

The RV790 is AMD's new current-generation graphics processor built on the newer 40nm silicon fabrication process. The new process is expected to reduce the GPU's power consumption and thermal footprint.

The RV790 is conceived to be an immediate successor to the RV770 GPU.

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