Intel "Pentium 5"

blastarr disse:
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050804AB065.html

É mesmo um formato para normalizar os formatos SFF, que actualmente variam muito de fabricante para fabricante e levam a preços muito elevados.

Será que a shuttle vai mudar o formato dos barebones? Duvido. Isto não será mais a aceitação da Intel em que se usem cada vez mais os cpus e chipsets que supostamente são para portáteis em barebones? Penso que será mais por ai. Mas posso estar enganado.
 
Os chipsets são os mesmos, é verdade.
Mas o form-factor não. São sempre motherboards com layout's costumizados, logo, caros.
Por isso é que a produção actual de SFF's é quase exclusiva de fabricantes de motherboards, não é possível a um OEM comprar caixas em volume e depois colocar uma motherboard de outro fabricante.
Se houver algo tipo Mini-ITX, mas para ATX (Micro ou Flex) ou BTX (Pico-BTX), mas já adaptado aos SFF's e chipset's futuros, os ganhos em custos de fabrico mais baixos (estandardizados) serão imensos.
Podem vir até a substituir as mini-towers ATX actuais, pelo menos no mercado doméstico e business/OEM.
 
acho que a intel tem cabedal mais que suficiente para impingir este formato no mercado.
são realmente pequenos os pc's, mas isto para mim so me diz uma coisa: os cpu's para isso certamente que têm um TDP mais (muito mais) baixo que o actual prescott.
 
blastarr disse:
Os chipsets são os mesmos, é verdade.
Mas o form-factor não. São sempre motherboards com layout's costumizados, logo, caros.
Por isso é que a produção actual de SFF's é quase exclusiva de fabricantes de motherboards, não é possível a um OEM comprar caixas em volume e depois colocar uma motherboard de outro fabricante.
Se houver algo tipo Mini-ITX, mas para ATX (Micro ou Flex) ou BTX (Pico-BTX), mas já adaptado aos SFF's e chipset's futuros, os ganhos em custos de fabrico mais baixos (estandardizados) serão imensos.
Podem vir até a substituir as mini-towers ATX actuais, pelo menos no mercado doméstico e business/OEM.

Tudo muito certo mas a shuttle mantem o formato que mantem porque fabrica as boards. podem fabricalas como quiser. A vantagem é que cobram depois nos acessórios e ganharam uma linha que criou imitadores por todo o lado.
Já tens actualmente a Antec Aria que leva Micro-ATX.
Duvido muito que a shuttle mude para um standard. Para nós era muito bom. Para eles só vejo desvantagens.
É um mercado com muito potencial actualmente e no futuro ainda terá mais seguramente.
 
IDF — Intel CEO Paul Otellini announced today in his keynote address at the Intel Developer Forum that Intel will be moving its future CPUs to a common architecture. He said the architecture will incorporate the best of the current Netburst and mobile architectures, with a focus on delivering more performance per watt. The architecture will be used in mobile platforms (code-named Merom), desktops (Conroe), and servers (Woodcrest). This processor architecture will feature a range of next-generation Intel technologies, including 64-bit compatibility (EM64T), virtualization (VT), Intel's LaGrande security features, and Intel Active Management Tech (iAMT).
These CPUs are dual-core products built on Intel's 65nm process technology, and Otellini presented live demos of all three processors running various operating systems. Otellini's presentation was driven by a Merom-based laptop. He showed Linux running on the desktop-targeted Conroe chip and Windows Server 2003 on Woodcrest. Otellini said the silicon is already "running quite well," and the company expects to ship products in the second half of 2006.

Otellini said Conroe should deliver five times the performance per watt of the Netburst microarchitecture in desktop platforms.

Before this new architecture debuts, Intel will still deliver its first generation of 65nm processsors for mobile (Yonah), desktops (Presler), and servers (Dempsey) in the first half of 2006.

Unfortunately, Otellini's address has so far been short on nitty-gritty details of the new architecture, such as the possible integration of a memory controller, changes to bus technology, or microarchtectural innovations. We will be hunting for additional details and reporting them back to you as they become available.

http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/8694

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2503
 
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Intel Merom is designed from the ground up

Intel Developer Forum Merom wasn't built in a day
By Charlie Demerjian in San Francisco: terça-feira 23 agosto 2005, 17:39


INTEL IS FINALLY TALKING about its new architecture, the Merom family of chips. While these chips are often characterised as a Pentium M derived, or tweaked versions thereof. They are not, not even close. Merom is ground up new, from the philosophy to the architecture, but it carries on with the familiar technologies from the previous P4 and PMs. It is going to be good.
The first thing you notice is that Intel has abandoned the long pipe, high speed, lower IPC model that was the norm for the last few years. Merom just about halves the pipeline length. It is now 14 stages, but whether that is 14 critical stages, or 14 overall was not stated. Either way, it is going to give up a lot of MHz to the Pentium 4, but will end up faster anyway.


The basic structure is a four issue wide core, without going into specifics, they said the Merom cores can keep up a sustained 4 ops from issue to retire. This probably has a bunch of caveats, addenda and asterisks, but it is clear that wider is the course for the day. Each pipe is a full pipe versus the old P6 derived simple and complex pipe structures. The number of ALU ports are greatly increased also.


The family picks up a lot from the previous Yonah architecture, the dual core, shared L2 and low power architectures. It also picks up some of the baggage like the long in tooth FSB and stronger integer performance than floating point. Everything is new, even if it looks similar.


Lets look at these things in a little greater detail. First is the shared L2, something that debuted with Yonah. This carries forward to Merom, but there are some important differences. Since it was not an addition to the architecture, but there from the first day, you can make assumptions based on it. One of those is a direct L1 to L1 link to cut down the time needed to snoop the cache. Since it cuts out two L2s and a bus traversal, it can cut the time down to one third of what it took the 'old way'. It may not do much between sockets, that is what some of the Blackford chipset enhancements are for, but it will make a significant difference.


The cache is fed through two new prefetch algorithms, which are bandwidth aware. It was not stated outright, but it looks like one is for L1 and the other are L2. They can change their modes depending on how much bandwidth is available, it is the next step of speculative prefetch.


Along the same lines, Intel has a technology called Memory Disambiguation. The fancy words can be translated to English as 'we check dependencies on retire, not on load'. Combined with the speculative loading, it can do a lot for keeping stalls from happening and raise IPC.


One of the tricks that Banias brought to the forefront was Micro-Op Fusion, basically the ability to gang multiple decoded operations into one single. Merom takes this much farther, and adds a more sophisticated version to the mix. In addition, Merom has Macro-Op fusion, the ability to gang x86 operations before decode. As an example, if you have a multiply followed by an add, Macro-Op fusion can turn that into a Multiply and Accumulate. Again, this simplifies the complex process of x86 execution and again increases IPC.


Then comes power savings, which is what this family was designed to to. Pentium 4s are pretty much on all the time they are powered up, and if you need to cook eggs, this is your chip. Banias/Dothan took power savings seriously, and allowed the chip to power down units that were not in use. This was a massive power savings.


Merom goes well beyond this, all units are powered down in the default state. When units are needed , they are powered up, and the chip takes power savings to a new level entirely. The unit power up takes a few clock cycles, and again, while exact numbers are classified, it is more than one, less than 10 in most cases. This depends greatly on processor power state, but it should not be all that noticable.


On the baggage side, the lower integer performance is more due to the shorter pipe length, and it looks like Merom cores will be faster than Opteron+'s in int, but lose a little to them in FP, quite the change.


A lot of this is due to bandwith to the cores, and that is the weakest link for Merom. They keep the current infrastructure, can keep the chipsets, and keep the FSB. The target for Woodcrest, the server version of Merom is a 1333MHz FSB. The quad core MCM Clovertown will drop down to 1066, and Conroe will sit on 1066 also. I think that Conroe will end up on a 1333, but officially, it isn't. Merom will be lower due to power constraints.


How much power does it take? Merom is listed at 35W TDP, with a 1-2W average consumption. Intel is supposed to be binning on power consumption as well as power, so the higher speeds may end up to actually use less power. Conroe sits at 65W for the desktop, and Woodcrest is at 80W. Conroe and Woodcrest are substantial improvements over their predecessors, and Merom is slightly higher outright, but vastly more efficient as far as performance per watt is concerned. It should end up more efficient overall because it can do more in less time more efficiently, but I will wait for samples before I say that for sure.


How fast are they? Well as far as raw clock speeds, Merom will be in the low 2Ghz range, Conroe and Woodcrest in the 2.5-3GHz range and Clovertown a couple of bins down from Woodcrest. Clock for clock, look for a 30% improvement. This chip is going to give AMD quite the run for its money.

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http://theinquirer.net/?article=25634

Intel showcases "rugged" PC for developing countries

INTEL HAS BEEN showing off a new PC today specifically designed to fit the needs of developing countries.
The "rugged" PC is able to withstand harsher climates, intermittent electricity, bugs and dust while accessing the web - without wires. Intel's machine has been designed with rural communities in mind rather than individual PC users, allowing for far flung villagers and mystical Indian hermits to access the internet from their communities.

The WiMAX enabled computer sports a back-up energy supply - via a car battery - that will let the computer carry on running even in the case of power outages and keep it running for several hours
 
Pics, Pics, Pics !!!

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2505

Conroe
conroe.jpg


Conroe vs Pentium D
conroevsp4.jpg


Yonah 65nm
yonah.jpg


Itanium 2 "Monticeto" com 24 MB cache L3 (!)
montecito.jpg
 
blastarr disse:
Itanium 2 "Monticeto" com 24 MB cache L3 (!)
montecito.jpg

Já nem a Intel sabe os nomes de código do itanium. :002:
É Montecito.

Quanto ao Conroe, era o que os rumores diziam.
4 issue wide. L2 partilhada. 14 stages. 65 W. Um quad core (ou será um dual core com HT?) para servidores.
Interessante.
 
Nemesis11 disse:
Já nem a Intel sabe os nomes de código do itanium. :002:
É Montecito.

Quanto ao Conroe, era o que os rumores diziam.
4 issue wide. L2 partilhada. 14 stages. 65 W. Um quad core (ou será um dual core com HT?) para servidores.
Interessante.


isso é tipo Slot1 !?!
 
Nemesis11 disse:
Já nem a Intel sabe os nomes de código do itanium. :002:
É Montecito.

Quanto ao Conroe, era o que os rumores diziam.
4 issue wide. L2 partilhada. 14 stages. 65 W. Um quad core (ou será um dual core com HT?) para servidores.
Interessante.

Tb tinha pensado nisso e cheguei a escrever "Montecito" no post inicial, mas como tinha o nome em baixo pensei que teria havido erro no "codename" que tinham saído préviamente e mudei para o que vinha na etiqueta.

Doesn't matter, é só um nome de código. :)
 
Não percebi bem uma coisa. Porque é que a Intel abdicou do HyperThreading? É certo que nem sempre era proveitoso e podia chegar mesmo prejudicar na performance, mas se realmente, em certa medida, eram aproveitados os recursos disponiveis do CPU, porque não continuar a inclui-lo? Salvo erro a àrea de die usada para o mesmo era pequena, logo daí não haveria problema. Será que nesta "nova" arquitectura a coisa não conjuga bem?
 
destr0yer disse:
Estes meron e conroe parecem bem :) espero que venham assim despidos e com um shim, o IHS é muito mal para dissipação :mad:

Mas muito bom para as garantias. Lembram-se dos cores Athlon/XP partidos ?
Adicionem isso a CPU's com muito mais complexidade e aínda o ínfame LGA 775 e têm um verdadeiro problema de garantia e assistência após-venda, para o fabricante do CPU e da Motherboard.
 
blastarr disse:
Mas muito bom para as garantias. Lembram-se dos cores Athlon/XP partidos ?
Adicionem isso a CPU's com muito mais complexidade e aínda o ínfame LGA 775 e têm um verdadeiro problema de garantia e assistência após-venda, para o fabricante do CPU e da Motherboard.

E que tal uma solução a lá NV40, com um shin a volta ;)
 
SilveRRIng disse:
Não percebi bem uma coisa. Porque é que a Intel abdicou do HyperThreading? É certo que nem sempre era proveitoso e podia chegar mesmo prejudicar na performance, mas se realmente, em certa medida, eram aproveitados os recursos disponiveis do CPU, porque não continuar a inclui-lo? Salvo erro a àrea de die usada para o mesmo era pequena, logo daí não haveria problema. Será que nesta "nova" arquitectura a coisa não conjuga bem?

segundo entendi, o HT está directamente relacionado com a arquitectura netburst e com o seu pipeline longo...como esta arquitectura está "kaput", no more HT :)
 
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