Nvidia Tegra All-in-One Mobile Processors Aim to Nuke Intel's Atom, 30H HD Playback

[vortal]

But it's aiming first for an emerging category called mobile Internet devices, or MIDs.
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Mike Rayfield, general manager of Nvidia's mobile business, said MIDs have screens of four to 12 inches in diameter and may have a touch-screen or keyboard, a connection for a game controller or a wireless high-speed Internet connection.

He said prices for MIDs with Tegra would range from $200 to $250 and be on store shelves by the holiday shopping season.
"If you're looking for performance and good graphics capabilities and the ability of this thing to play HD video and the like, that's pretty cool stuff," said Insight 64 analyst Nathan Brookwood.
Nvidia's push with Tegra and Intel's own efforts with Atom foreshadow a battle between two types of chip architectures for dominance in the nascent tiny-but-powerful computing market.
The Atom chip family uses its x86 architecture, while ARM Holdings Plc processors have their own. Intel claims ARM chips grew up out of the communications and cell-phone markets, insisting its x86 architecture is better suited for computing applications such as gaming and Web browsing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080602/tc_nm/nvidia_dc

200 dólares, quando chegar cá ficará por quanto?

Espero que seja possível instalar vários sabores de Linux.

Parece que o Android tem um SDK que usa Java, o que talvez não seja a melhor opção para quem gostaria de ter um acesso mais directo à máquina.

De resto parece ser muito interessante.

 

[V3ctor]

mais uma notícia relacionada com o Tegra da nVidia

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=549&pgno=0

 

[DJ_PAPA]

Delayed:

Nvidia Delays Shipments of Tegra Multimedia System-on-Chip.

Nvidia Tegra Delayed to Spring 2009

Nvidia Corp. had to delay the commercial launch of its Tegra system-on-chip (SoC) components for mobile and low-power applications from late 2008 to spring 2009. The company did not provide many details about the reasons for delay, but claimed that they were related to the nature of the business.

“Tegra is doing really well. I’ve said that Tegra was not ready for production this year because the design win process tends to be longer. I also have said that Tegra is coming out party is really spring of next year. So, I look forward to talking to you much more about that, spring of next year,” said Marvin Burkett, chief financial officer of Nvidia, during the most recent conference call with financial analysts.

Since handheld and low-power applications have a tangibly longer lifespan compared to desktop personal computers or similar devices, it takes a quite some time before manufacturers of actual devices unveil their products based on new chips as they need to develop the design and then ensure that it is robust enough ahead of mass production start.

Nvidia originally expected to “see first products before the end of year” back in mid-2008, when Tegra was formally unveiled. However, now the company claims that Tegra-based devices will only be available in “spring” 2009, meaning that it is unclear whether it will be Q1 or Q2.

Nvidia Tegra 600-series SoCs features ARM11 central processing unit core, GeForce graphics core with programmable pixel shader and programmable vertex shader support, build-in low-power DDR memory controller, NAND flash memory controller, high-definition video processor that supports MPEG 4, H.264, VC-1/WMV9 decoding, H.264 and MPEG4 encoding and features some other capabilities. Besides, Tegra 600 and Tegra 650 support two displays, 12MPixel camera sensor, USB, Parallel ATA a variety of display outputs, including HDMI, as well as other necessary interfaces.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile...ments_of_Tegra_Multimedia_System_on_Chip.html

 

[blastarr]

Só os Tegra 6xx.
Os APX 2500 estão dentro de vários handsets à venda neste momento.

 

[Gandalf]

Só os Tegra 6xx.
Os APX 2500 estão dentro de vários handsets à venda neste momento.

Quais nomeadamente Blastarr?
(e nao estou a ser ironico).

 

[greven]

É possivel que isso venha fazer concorrência no mercado de maquinas digitais, como processador de imagem?

Só se quiseres jogar Tetris na máquina Digital... ou incluir pos-produção mais poderosa em máquinas high-end, o que em todo o caso me parece bastante dispensável, diga-se.

 

[blastarr]

Quais nomeadamente Blastarr?
(e nao estou a ser ironico).

"Handsets" inclui uso do APX 2500 como chipset ARM11/2D/3D para receptores de GPS e mobile TV.
Existem vários modelos para integração em veículos das marcas do grupo VAG (VW, Audi, SEAT, Bentley, Lamborghini, etc).
Um dos primeiros disponíveis em Portugal é o novo Audi Q5, se não estou enganado.

No Japão há vários modelos de telemóveis com suporte para o "1Seg" (sistema de Mobile TV digital, codec's H.264 e MPEG-2) que usam o APX 2500.
Modelos exactos não se sabe, mas há definitivamente clientes na SoftBank/Vodafone e na NTT DoCoMo.

 

[__Miguel_]

Só se quiseres jogar Tetris na máquina Digital... ou incluir pos-produção mais poderosa em máquinas high-end, o que em todo o caso me parece bastante dispensável, diga-se.

Bem, pelas características do CPU/SoC parece que tem encode a 720p, o que pode ajudar em máquinas digitais. Não tanto na secção de fotos, mas pelo menos na secção de vídeo - passa a ser possível por exemplo gravar directamente em formato HD-Ready...

Achei interessante o facto de ter suporte nativo para IDE, o que me parece implicar que o principal meio de armazenamento que a NVIDIA quer que se use em dispositivos com este CPU é discos de 1.8'' (SSD ou normais) e CF, ambos com compatibilidade directa para IDE... Estão a pensar em grande, se calhar querem atirar-se também a coisas como iPod Touch/iPhone, bem como os MID que a Intel vem falando desde há uns tempos para cá.

Sinceramente, continuo a preferir x86, e adorei a notícia da Intel do seu SoC para a plataforma HTPC/set-top-box. Mas enquanto não aparecer nada x86 com os consumos e performance por watt dos ARM (e que pelo caminho compense as limitações desta arquitectura) vai ser complicado para a Intel entrar no segmento, e este SoC parece-me um exemplo flagrante...

Cumps.

Miguel

 

[blastarr]

A CNBC diz que o anúncio de um smartphone da própria Microsoft pode estar por semanas.
É possível que seja a primeira grande aplicação do SoC ARM11 Nvidia Tegra em aparelhos de grande consumo, isto se a informação extra no Inq for correcta (pelo menos as afirmações dele acerca do consumo eléctrico do Tegra são ridículas, pois este gasta menos energia a fazer decoding de video a 720p do que os concorrentes ARM11 da Texas Instruments em decoding de video com definição normal).


Fonte: http://www.cnbc.com/id/27912313

 

[JAFoNEXUS]

Podiam também começar a usá-lo em media centers dedicados de baixo consumo como o popcorn e similares.
Concorrência ao SoC da Sigma Designs também fazia bem.

 

[blastarr]

Protótipo de um notebook da Asus, com o SoC Nvidia Tegra a poder funcionar como auxiliar do sistema num LCD Touchscreen -tipo MS Sideshow-, ou então a ter a possibilidade de tomar conta do LCD maior para ver filmes (a bateria dura até 12 horas nesse modo), desligando por completo a CPU Intel Atom,, o chipset principal e até o Windows:

 

[JPgod]

12h de playback Not bad

Já o meu toshiba tem um conceito parecido, reprodução de DVD's independente do SO. Claro que não tem hardware "dedicado" e a autonomia é essencialmente igual.

 

[blastarr]

O gigante dos smartphones HTC vai criar modelos com base no "System-on-Chip" Nvidia Tegra já este ano, abandonando assim os SoC's da Qualcomm, de acordo com esta notícia:

Nvidia teams with HTC in bid to save 2009 revenue


SAN FRANCISCO - Chip maker Nvidia will power new mobile devices made by HTC, the maker of the popular 'Touch' series handsets, as it moves to shore up what could be a disappointing 2009.


The maker of popular Geforce graphics cards -- technology enabling computers to render 3D imagery -- is pushing a new Tegra processor that is aimed for mobile devices and lower powered Netbooks. The new platform comes at time when other core Nvidia business are expected to see a slow down.

"We believe that HTC has selected the NVDA Tegra applications processor for a new handset design that will ramp in [the second half of 2009]," Doug Freedman of American Technology Research says."We estimate Tegra could add $100M to 2H09 results."

Announced in early 2008, Tegra puts an Arm-based processor core, a GeForce graphics core and other components onto a single chip. The product lineup will include the Tegra 600 running at 700MHz and the Tegra 650 running at 800MHz. The lineup also includes the Tegra APX 2500.

"This revenue will likely be very high margin, given the low-power design in a small-profile package is helping HTC achieve small form factors," Freedman adds. "We expect Tegra to sell in a range of $15 to $25 and have more than one customer in '09."

Nvidia is suffering from a slowing global consumer demand. The firm's new GTX295 -- announced at CES this year -- will likely regain the price performance crown in the GPU market, but the reward will likely be muted given the weakness of the high-end consumer. Market demand is for low-end mainstream, causing a mix shift to lower revenue and margin products, Freedman says.

Freedman contents basic business metrics are likely all very poor: revenue, margins, and inventory (driven in large part by the collapse of desktop enthusiast GPUs). Weakness is likely to persist into a seasonal soft period,

"We continue to recommend that investors avoid the PC-related semiconductor food chain due to the incredibly challenging short-term environment, though we remain optimistic on long-term design wins, stable pricing, and eventual inventory replenishment providing a floor of support."

AmTech maintains a neutral outlook on Nvidia, and reduces their price target to $7 from $8.50.

Shares of Nvidia fell 36 cents, or 4.54 percent to $7.57 by mid-day trading.

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/20090112/nvidia-teams-with-htc-bid-save-revenue.htm

 

[JAFoNEXUS]

Já era sem tempo, que alguém pegava nisto ...

 

[muddymind]

NVIDIA Tegra-based Mini-Notebook Spotted

It looks like NVIDIA's attempts to let Tegra make it to bigger platforms are beginning to bear fruit. LaptopMag got its hands on one of the first mini-notebooks based on Tegra, a fully-integrated computing architecture that focuses on making more powerful and visual portable computing devices possible. The Tegra CPU core is based on the ARM11 architecture, working along with NVIDIA's own graphics processing, and system controlling technologies.

The model in use with the mini-notebook is Tegra 650, which runs at 750 MHz (core clock speed), supports hardware HD video decoding, an S-Video out, and USB. It supports DDR memory running at 200 MHz, and an IDE channel for a sold-state drive for primary storage. Apart from the IDE interface, Tegra has its own NAND-flash controller so small amounts of flash memory (up to 8 GB) could be embedded onto the main PCB. The mini-notebook features an OS that lets the user achieve all the tasks one would ask from this 90~200 Dollar mini-notebook. Windows CE and Linux are the likely candidates. The screenshot below is that of the Windows CE-based prototype that takes advantage of the 3D processing power of the core. Also pictured is the prototype system board by NVIDIA.

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90~200 Dollar?!?!? ui! é desta que se vai o atom nos netbooks

 

[SpeedDragon]

DDR ? Não seria economicamente e energeticamente mais viavel DDR 2 ?

 

[blastarr]

DDR ? Não seria economicamente e energeticamente mais viavel DDR 2 ?

Isto não é DDR igual à que havia há uns anos nos desktops e portáteis (DDR-333, 400, etc).
É "Mobile DDR"/MDDR, ou "LPDRAM" (Low-Power Dynamic Random Access Memory), um tipo de RAM usado predominantemente em telemóveis (todos os smartphones modernos baseados em Symbian, Windows Mobile, Android, iPhone OS, etc) com CPU's e SoC's ARM (o caso do chip Tegra), que se caracteriza por possuir voltagens de funcionamento extremamente baixas.
A voltagem deste tipo de RAM fica-se pelos 1.8v, igual à da DDR2 dos desktops, e muito mais baixa do que o standard das DDR de desktop, 2.5v/2.6v.

 

[Spiderman]

Estou é curioso para saber como é que isto se porta nas tarefas do quotidiano. Mas lá que temos "inovação" isso temos.

 

[kanguru]

Isto só sai no segundo semestre de 2009? Estou curioso com estes netbooks com cpus ARM ou baseados em ARM Excelente autonomia e bons preços, parecem-me perfeitos para o que se propõem

 

[kinotix]

NVIDIA Tegra mobile devices whip Atom - supposedly

During NVIDIA’s upbeat press conference today, CEO Jen-Hsun Huang announced Tegra to the world and this time we actually saw working product, unlike last year.

One slide (below) which got our interest was the comparison between Tegra, Atom and Snapdragon. If the numbers run by NVIDIA are correct, a Tegra mobile device which can go for as low as $99 USD will beat an Atom based product which starts quite a bit higher, in almost every aspect.

With the system on a chip (Tegra) running “under one watt”, it can playback 10 hours of 720p HD video where Atom can only do 3 hours. Tegra can playback 25 days of music, while Atom can only do 5 hours and a Quake FPS of 46 FPS vs. 17 FPS. Tegra supports Windows CE, Windows Mobile and Google Android for netbooks, but we are unsure which was used to perform the tests.

Sure, these tests were performed by NVIDIA, but correct me if I am worry, should Intel be starting to worry at least a little? With 12 new HD mobile internet devices being launched today and presented to press, it presents a strong case for NVIDIA as the devices begin to hit the market late this year.

Fonte: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/12353/nvidia_tegra_mobile_devices_whip_atom_supposedly/index.html

Parece que finalmente o Atom vai ter concorrência a sério. Esperemos...