R520 Pics e Specs

Já os estou a ver a por um pai natal de vermelho com o simbolo da ati a entregar as placas. :)
"The Way Santa Wants It To Be Played"


E se as placas não são competitivas vamos logo ouvir os cépticos a anunciar o fim da ATI, e com apologias do reino supremo da nvidia.
 
Bom, aqui está o Crossfire (menos o hype...):

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http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/E4CEF9004EDAAAACCA25707B000C48E0

Em resumo: performance ao nível do SLI, nem mais, nem menos.

(as placas são as X850, mas podemos ter uma ideia do que será com as X1800)
 
AnandTech's R520, RV530 and RV515 Pre-NDA Extravaganza

The part that everyone wants to hear about is, of course, the Radeon X1800 based on ATI's long awaited R520 GPU. Due for introduction later this quarter, the 90nm R520 will be a 16-pipe, 16-shader processor design with a number of different SKUs based on the GPU. Internal ATI documentation specifically claims that the R520 series will ship at launch, just as NVIDIA's 7800GTX and 7800GT series shipped and launched on the same dates.

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Common features to all R520 based boards include the new 90nm lead free manufacturing process, a Xilleon based TV encoder, SM3.0, H.264 decode acceleration and CrossFire support. Also expect to see HDTV options for all 90nm ATI cards in the near future, although they may be limited to the All In Wonder series for R520.

At the top end is the Radeon X1800 XT; this 16-pipe R520 will feature a 600MHz core clock, with a 256-bit memory bus connected to 512MB of GDDR3 memory clocked at 700MHz. The 600MHz core clock will give it a lower fill rate than the GeForce 7800 GTX (24-pipes at 430MHz), while the 700MHz memory clock will give it more memory bandwidth than the stock GTX (600MHz). Much like the GTX, the X1800 XT will be priced at $599. The X1800 XT will feature two DVI outputs with HDCP support. The lower fillrate seems alarming at first, but consider several factors. First of all, ATI's traditional core design can do "more" per clock cycle (at least on the R420 design) than NVIDIA. Secondly, R520 has a lot of little tweaks including hardware asissted H.264 decoding. Just last week, we also received details about ATI's revamped memory controller which operates on an internal 512-bit ring bus. There is a lot to speculate about performance, but even with similar fill rates as NVIDIA, there is a strong possibility that other workings in R520 will differentiate the card on a real world performance level.

Next up is the Radeon X1800 XL, which is positioned between the GeForce 7800 GTX and the 7800 GT. The XL drops the core clock down to 550MHz, and the memory clock down to 625MHz. Other than the lower clock speeds, the XL is identical to the XT, meaning it still has 512MB of GDDR3 memory connected to a 256-bit memory bus. The X1800 XL will be priced at $499. Both the X1800 XT and X1800 XL appear to be dual-slot designs from previous roadmaps and existing box art. The roadmap also details that there will be HDCP support for the X1800 XL and X1800 XT via Texas Instrument's TFP513PAP DVI transmitter.

Priced at $449, we have the X1800 Pro, once more a 16-pipe R520 design but this time the core runs at 500MHz. The Radeon X1800 Pro only has 256MB of memory, also running at 500MHz, but still retains the same 256-bit memory bus. What is interesting about the Radeon X1800 Pro is that its fill rate and memory bandwidth appear to be identical to that of NVIDIA's GeForce 7800GT; coincidentally, so does its price. The reference design for the X1800 Pro features a single VGA and a single DVI connector, with no HDCP support.

The last member of the R520 family is the Radeon X1800 LE, which disables four of the pipelines of the R520 taking it down to a 12-pipe design. The LE runs at 450MHz with 256MB of 450MHz GDDR3 memory. Once again we're dealing with a 256-bit memory bus, and this time a $349 price tag. The outputs are identical to the X1800 Pro. Both the Pro and LE cards are single slot cooling design, thanks to their lower running clock speeds.

According to our roadmaps, it looks like ATI will abandon the "vanilla" nomenclature for future products. For example, instead of a plain X1800, instead we will get an X1800 LE. Likewise, on our previous roadmaps components that were named with the non-XT non-LE non-Pro non-XL name will thus become "LE" parts. Certainly a good move on ATI's behalf, as "vanilla" X800 cards are hard enough to explain to readers.

The roadmap also refers to R580, and that the card is working in-house at the moment. R580 is essentailly a clock ramp and pipe ramp of R520, but both of those details have not been disclosed yet (even to AIBs). Unforunately, the R580 will not ship at the same time as R520.

ATI's RV530 aka Radeon X1600

Targetting the upper midrange is the Radeon X1600 (RV530), built on the same 90nm process as the Radeon X1800 (R520). All of these RV530 series and lower are single slot products, according to the roadmaps.

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Radeon X1600 will actually be very similar to X1800LE, but with a smaller internal bus (256-bits) and a smaller memory bus (128-bits). The X1600 cards also have H.264 support like the R520 series.

Like X600, there will be many vendor dependent options for the cards. The configuration roadmap allows for DDR1, DDR2 or GDDR3 in both the XT and Pro cards, with memory sizes ranging anywhere from 128MB to 512MB. In fact, we even have claims from one manufacturer that they will produce 64-bit versions of the card en masse; so potential buyers will need to be wary of buying Radeon X1600 Pro cards with the smaller bus (like with the Radeon 9800SE). Another noteable is the support for HDCP and HDMI on many cards. Also, like with the GeForce 7800 series, vendors are allowed (perhaps even encouraged?) to bin chips for higher clock speeds. We've received reports from AIBs that some RV530 Pro cards will ship with 525MHz clock speeds even though the roadmap indicates 500MHz is the standard configuration.

Perhaps one of the more interesting aspects of RV530 is the low power consumption. Reference 64-bit boards of RV530 using GDDR3 at 500MHz core clock speeds have a power consumption of just 25W. 128-bit boards were estimated at 40W and X1600XT boards with all the goodies were estimated by AIBs to be 55W.

ATI's RV515 aka Radeon X1300

ATI's internal roadmap reveals that the RV515 (X1300) is the follow up to RV370, and will come in three main variations with several HyperMemory options and differing core clocks as well. Our previous roadmaps have revealed that RV515 is exclusively a single quad design, with memory interfaces from 32 to 128bits. Even the low end RV515 cards will utilize some form of H.264 decoding and/or HDCP support, making these cards extremely attractive for DVR machines.

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HyperMemory versions of RV515 will utilize a 32-bit memory bus, but since they utilize the system memory they use a different system of determining the "Supported Memory" configurations as follows:

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Wrap Up

Among other noteables in the roadmap, some of the more prominent features of R520 included HDMI over Silicon Image's WALDO interface -- all other cards in the roadmap that feature HDCP but not HDMI will use TI's TFP513PAP. On low profile RV530 cards, HDMI connectors are supported directly on the PCB, while analog and DVI connectors are attached via a ribbon cable to a daugther card. For users looking to set up a cheap TV-only DVR, the daughtercard is completely optional - saving money and space.

In the roadmap we also saw some new SKUs from the X550 line and X600 line supporting HyperMemory. With NVIDA's quasi-TurboCache GeForce 6500, an X600 HyperMemory card could put a real advantage of low end video processing back in ATI's court.

X800GTO is also going to be hitting the shelves soon with street prices of $159 for the 128MB version and $179 for the 256MB version. You might want to check our previous roadmap on this particular product, since everyone (including ATI) expects a sub $200 12 pipe R420 to really become the de facto midrange option. A low volume sixteen pipe version will show up for select vendors in select regions.

We go under NDA in the near future for many things ATI, so get ready for AnandTech's upcoming coverage come launch time!

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2532
 
mau... 16 pipes apenas...

A x1800 pro é quase uma x800 xt (500/500)

A ver se os novos features (512 bits internal, SM3, H.264, tweaks de hardware, blá blá blá) ajudem (ou seja os 500 mhz da x1800 PRO serem mais rápido que os 500 mhz das x800 XT

X1600 parecem jeitosas, as x1300 são mais remakes das x600 , placas para quem não joga ou joga pouco... Mas ao suporar H.264 serão excelentes para Média Center's visto que esperemos que estas X1300 gastem pouco power, com dissipador passivo e tal (X1600 pro a 64 bits prevem apenas 25 watts 8o)
 
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devem overclockar bem essas RV530 acho eu.. :001:
Fiquei desiludido por n ter 24pipes, so vão lançar uma versão dessas só depois do natal.. significa q a ati nao iria conseguir produzir muitas "R520 24pipes" até ao natal... queremos benchs :003:

Alguma alma querida me explica o que significa "HDCP support"? High Definition ...?? :)
 
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ATI to launch Crossfire on the 24th

MONTHS AFTER it originally previewed the architecture back in Taiwan, ATI is getting ready to release its first Crossfire motherboards. Reviewers have already got their kits and they have some time to make their long awaited previews of the marchitecture.

Retail boards should follow, and some even ready at the launch date but this was not the easiest aarchitecture to make a board around. It takes time and ATI and its partners sure took some time to get it out on the open.

We learned that ATI plans to lift its NDAs on the 24th, just some days before it announces its R520, Radeon X1800 and the rest of the R5xx generation. The company didn't have any choice as it had many small problems with the Crossfire concept that kept those boards postponed. We remember that one of the key problems with Crossfire was the linking external cable that caused a few weeks delay.

Now ATI is in a funny situation as it has to launch its new Radeon and Crossfire just a few days earlier with old Radeon X 850 and X800 cards. Just a little later, the company will announce Radeon X1800 XT Crossfire edition master cards and will urge reviewers to use those.

Whatever happens Crossfire is set to be announced in just about 10 days. µ

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26163
 
DaMan disse:
devem overclockar bem essas RV530 acho eu.. :001:
Fiquei desiludido por n ter 24pipes, so vão lançar uma versão dessas só depois do natal.. significa q a ati nao iria conseguir produzir muitas "R520 24pipes" até ao natal... queremos benchs :003:

Alguma alma querida me explica o que significa "HDCP support"? High Definition ...?? :)

"High Definition Content Protection", para fazer a vida negra aos piratas e a qualquer pessoa que queira ver conteúdos em HD num monitor normal, daqui para a frente.
 
Eles são mm burros ao fazer isso...

Eles sabem mto bem k 90% das pessoas k compram as placas são pessoas k praticam piratarias constantemente, e eles n vão ganhar nada com isso, a n ser k alguem crack esse sistema, k provavelmente deve acontecer.
 
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Eles são mm burros ao fazer isso...

Eles sabem mto bem k 90% das pessoas k compram as placas são pessoas k praticam piratarias constantemente, e eles n vão ganhar nada com isso, a n ser k alguem crack esse sistema, k provavelmente deve acontecer.

A ATI e a Nvidia não têm escolha.
Acredita, se a MS pudesse, o HDCP não existia, pois aumentavam as vendas de software.
O problema é que Hollywood está lixada com a perda de lucros e quer ver toda e qualquer plataforma capaz de mostrar conteúdos HD protegida.

Não é apenas na MS, a Apple, a Novell e outras empresas estão sujeitas ao mesmo. Protection or Retraction, é o aviso que Hollywood tem dado. Quem não quiser as regras deles, fica de fora do comboio HD.
 
Ou seja...

Para eu ver um filme HD no meu PC, SOU OBRIGADO a comprar uma HDTV? Ou só poderei assistir a filmes originais e os "backups" (mesmo dos filmes que ca tivermos) ficam de fora?

Nice, vai rolar muitas cabeças e vai haver perda de vendas e os filmes vão inflacionar que é uma coisa bruta!

Alguem explique melhor isso destas novas vagas de protecções malucas XPTO

que a pirataria perdem dinheiro ok, mas é mais um pretexto para meterem os filmes ao preços que querem (porque a pirataria é uma concorrente e com monopolio é sempre a mamar >( )
 
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HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) is a specification developed by the Intel Corporation to "protect" digital audio and video content as it travels across Digital Visual Interface (DVI) or High Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) connections. The HDCP specification is proprietary and an implementation of HDCP requires a license. It is a form of Digital rights management.

HDCP is licensed by Digital Content Protection, LLC. In addition to paying fees, licensees must also agree to limit the usefulness and interoperability of their products by restricting outputs and lowering the quality of reproduction on any non-HDCP digital audio outputs. Licensees cannot allow their devices to make copies of content, and must design their products to "effectively frustrate attempts to defeat the content protection requirements."

It is rumored that HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc players will only output full-resolution signals using HDCP. If such a player is connected to a non-HDCP-enabled television set, the player will either output a downsampled 480p signal or nothing at all. Since few such television sets are in use, this effectively negates the purpose of HD-DVD and Blu-ray
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP

Basically, we're screwed.

Edit: Por outro lado...
 
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Sim senhor, eu acho uma excelente ideia, assim sendo 99,9999% da população mundial estará BANIDA do mundo HD a não ser que derreta RIOSSSSSSSS de dinheiro em computadores e TV'S XPTO...

Eu pelo menos estou banido por tempo indeterminado, gastei uma pipa num bom monitor TFT :(

E mesmo os DVI convencionais tão de fora!

comclusão:

HDTV = pequena elite mundial, tipo 0,01 % da população.

É que tem ppl todo contente a comprar TV's com suporte HD, mas sem DVI ou HDMI com esta treta, TFT's grandes, placas graficas com decoder HDTV, e tal, preparando-se, mas terão uma BIG SURPRISE :D

Só os roylaties que as TV's/Monitores devem ter que pagar triplica o preço destes :mad:

Isso até alguem conseguir crackar :004: :004: :004:
 
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Vcs jah viram algum jogo que nao fosse pirateado, jogo sem crack sem nada?
Se nos jogo onde se pode compilar qq tipo de codigo de protecção, encriptação, laserlock, securelocks, etc etc e nunca foi possivel a um jogo deixar de ser pirateado, como é que iram conseguir com um standard que irá ser lido por milhares de dispositivos diferentes?

Tal como no audio, enquanto um filme for possivel de se reproduzir -> logo é pirateavel

por isso, relax :p
 
Tavam todos os gurus nacionais e internacionais a dizer mal do TheInquirer mas já se está a perceber que acertaram na muche, isto é, até o Anand confirma novidades dadas à meses atrás mas tidas em pouca conta nessa altura.

Agora só falta ver a performance dos 16 pipes. Venham eles.
 
Alguma vez o Inquirer tinha de acertar. A questão é que eles publicam tudo quanto é rumor.
Mas tens de compreender que depois de ouvirmos que o R520 ia ter 32 pipes e ver a 7800GTX com 24, quando aparece com specs d 16 pipes no TheInquirer, uma pessoa desconfia.
 
destr0yer disse:
Sim senhor, eu acho uma excelente ideia, assim sendo 99,9999% da população mundial estará BANIDA do mundo HD a não ser que derreta RIOSSSSSSSS de dinheiro em computadores e TV'S XPTO...

Não te preocupes........não é bem 99,9999%, muitos portugueses vão comprar isso.....nem que paguem em 3 anos........

Por acaso nunca reparaste nas vendas que os tv's de plasma estão a ter???? com o pessoal a comprar dvd's nas feiras com aquela bela qualidade para se ver numa tv de plasma........ainda por cima monitores 16/9 quando todos os canais ainda estão a 4:3.

Mas isso da protecção vai ser apenas questão de tempo, na minha opinião tudo que é 0000 e 1111 (codigo de informatica) é tudo facilmente descodificavel, mais tempo ou menos tempo....pode-se ver no caso dos dvd's.
 
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