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Radeon 9600TX=R9500 com PCB diferente...

Discussão em 'Novidades Hardware PC' iniciada por Elrond, 29 de Março de 2003. (Respostas: 11; Visualizações: 1118)

  1. Elrond

    Elrond To fold or to FOLD?

    Pois é, parece que esta na moda fazer processadores(AMD) e placas graficas(ATI) usando cores diferentes daqueles q é suposto usar.
    A ATI ja o tinha feito com as 1as R9500, que tinham cores das 9700, a AMD faz o msm com os T-breds B de baixo custo(Xp1800 ate xp2100),e agora a ATI volta a repetir a graça....

    ATI Technologies has been selling its mainstream RADEON 9500 and 9500 PRO graphics cards that are based on the famous R300 VPU, the same VPU as utilised on the high-end RADEON 9700 and 9700 PRO products, for quite some time already. Even despite of the fact that it may not be reasonable to sell graphics chips with eight rendering pipelines as mainstream graphics processors, in order to expand the market share and be able to offer variety of different solutions ATI does sell its expensive graphics products for relatively low price.

    As we know, one of the reasons to utilise 0.13 micron process technology is manufacturing costs. Average cost of 0.13 micron chip is lower than the cost of the same processor made using 0.15 micron process technology. So, ATI’s RADEON 9600 aka RV350 VPU unveiled this month is considerably cheaper than the R300 VPU since the former has only four pipelines and is made using 0.13 micron technology, while the latter implements eight rendering pipes and is made using 0.15 micron technology. Advantages the RV350 brings to ATI are obvious: lower costs and DirectX 9.0 support can help ATI’s market share to skyrocket if there are enough such products. Unfortunately for the Markham, Ontario-based company, its RADEON 9600 aka RV350 is delayed due to unknown reasons (see our yesterday’s issue), meanwhile the competitor is ready to flood the market with its GeForce FX 5600 and 5200 products. Since ATI still needs inexpensive DirectX 9.0 solutions to deliver its clients it seems that the company has decided to simply install the R300 on all graphics cards of the Spring lineup. As this German web-site points out, Medion, who ordered ATI powered graphics cards from MSI earlier this year (see this news-story) now offers the so-called RADEON 9600 TX graphics cards based on the same R300 chip as all ATI’s previous DirectX 9.0 solutions because ATI has not started to sell its RV350 VPUs so for.

    Medion RADEON 9600 TX graphics card identifies itself as the RADEON 9600 TX, though, not the RV350, but the R300 chip is mentioned in the drivers.

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    As you see from the picture, PCB design for the Medion RADEON 9600 TX is not as complex as PCB design for the original RADEON 9500 or RADEON 9500 PRO, hence, the card itself should not cost too much. The only concern is basically the chip itself. In case ATI has high yield of its R300 and the price of one chip is not so big, the company will be able to make profit selling such graphics cards as mainstream solutions. In case the cost of R300 is high, ATI will loose money. We will never know if one of the statements is right or wrong, but I believe that the truth hides somewhere between: the R300 is cheap enough to offer even as low-end solution, but the gross margin of such product will be low.

    Unfortunately, the full specifications of the RADEON 9600 TX from Medion (or should I say MSI?) are not unveiled at this time, but as we may see from the picture, the part is equipped with a couple of D-Sub connectors and S-Video/RCA TV-Out. Price is also unknown, but I assume it is low-enough.

    PS. I wonder if we can transform the RADEON 9600 TX into a fully functional RADEON 9500 PRO.

    Era giro que desse........as 9600 vai ser mais baratas q as 9500 n vao?
     
  2. SKATAN

    SKATAN Power Member

    podem esquecer hacks nessa :(
     
  3. Crusher

    Crusher Power Member

    RV350 é diferente de R300.

    É que são diferentes... até no processo de fabrico.

    E o PCB dessa é bastante simples.


    Mas ando com uma certa curiosidade como é que essas RV350 vão overclockar... é que são construidas em 0,13u devem ser bem fresquinhas. :P
     
  4. SomethingLost

    SomethingLost Power Member

    Será que alguem me podia explicar o que é o pcb?
    Eu procurei no search do forum mas não consegui encontrar, se alguem me puder explicar agradecia...
     
  5. Chip

    Chip Zwame Advisor

    Acho que é a placa propriamente dita, onde é montado o processador gráfico :)

    Edit: acho que é a "coisa verde" :D
     
  6. Rudzer

    Rudzer Power Member

    Printed Circuit Board :)

    por outras palavras akilo que o chip disse ;)
     
  7. SomethingLost

    SomethingLost Power Member

    Obrigadão pelas respostas :D
     
  8. SilveRRIng

    SilveRRIng Power Member

    Ó Crusher, vê-se mesmo q não leste o artigo todo :P

    O q eles estão ali a dizer é q devido à indisponibilidade do RV350 para já, a ATI tem q "pôr" R300 no mercado, mesmo com ganhos menores já q o processo de fabrico de .15 sai mais caro q o de 13, no aproveitamento dos waffers. Para q a nVidia não ganhe vantagem no "mainstream" eles têm q mandar as 9600 (supostamente já seriam as RV350) com chips R300, com as especificações idênticas a uma 9500, só q têm q ser, provavelmente mais baratas, ou seja com menores lucros para a ATI. Este é mesmo dakeles sintomas q cheiram a nitida influência da concorrência e quem ganha somos nós!! :D
     
  9. Raptor

    Raptor OC Legend

    venham elas! :)

    ps: já viram que este subforum está tão calmo? já não existirão novidades?
     
  10. Zealot

    Zealot I quit My Job for Folding

    Rap tb já me apercebi disso, mas não encontro nenhuma notícia de jeito para postar aqui. :(
     
  11. Madril

    Madril 1st Folding then Sex


    Raptor ... keres soluçao ? :P

    Deixa o nabais começar com o novo projecto (akilo de k na gostas nada) :P
     
  12. Rudzer

    Rudzer Power Member

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