Periférico Thunderbolt (aka LightPeak)

[p4thos]

Parece inovador.

Parece que não é para já.

(é capaz de ser barato mais barato - repito "é capaz")

 

[errandum]

Parece-me bastante parecido com o que a fibra óptica já faz. Alguém me explica a diferença?

 

[setekh]

Parece-me bastante parecido com o que a fibra óptica já faz. Alguém me explica a diferença?

Não existe diferença porque os cabos são de fibra óptica. A inovação está na tecnologia que permite fazer passar os dados pela fibra.

 

[JPgod]

Desenterrando esta thread, para discussão da tecnologia ThunderBolt, como será agora chamado o light Peak.

escrevi um artigo sobre isto no Portal

http://portal.zwame.pt/13087/noticia/intel-apresenta-thunderbolt

 

[eblain]

Intel Thunderbolt To Go Beyond Macs in April 2012

Intel notified its partners in the PC industry that its Thunderbolt 10 Gbps interconnect will enter the PC ecosystem in April, 2012. Around that time, Intel will launch its third-generation Core processor family, and waves of new motherboards are likely to launch. It is likely that Thunderbolt will be the defining feature of many of these motherboards. Along with PC motherboards, the technology is likely to feature on pre-built desktops, and notebooks. The propagation of Thunderbolt is limited for a variety of reasons. First, its host controller costs more than $20, second, there already an established ecosystem of USB 3.0, a slower, yet competitive interconnect that maintains backwards compatibility with its older versions, and third, Intel has restricted the technology to Apple.

The cost of adoption, starting with host controllers, is expected to drop in the second half of 2012, and so the technology should standardize gradually in the future. 10 Gbps might be more than plenty of bandwidth for now, but the demand for faster device interconnects will only rise. Among the companies that have come forward with plans to adopt the technology, Sony is expected to adopt it among many of its product lines; ASUS into its high-end notebooks, and so will Gigabyte. Gigabyte will also embrace the technology for its motherboards in April, in a bid to increase competitiveness against ASUS and ASRock. Thunderbolt will be the next "features USB 3.0 and SATA 6 Gb/s" marketing label for motherboard vendors.

Intel DZ77RE First and Only to Feature Thunderbolt from Intel's 7-series Board Stable

This week, we got two important bits of news, firstly, that Intel's third-generation Core processor family (codenamed "Ivy Bridge"), is scheduled for launch on April 8, 2012; and secondly, that Intel will use that occasion to launch its new 7-series chipset, and with it, bring its 10 Gbps Thunderbolt interconnect to the PC platform. A road-map slide tabling Intel's own Desktop Board division products based on 7-series chipset, shows that only one motherboard from Intel's stable will feature Thunderbolt, the DZ77RE.

The DZ77RE is likely listed within the Extreme Series, which will be a top-of-the-line product. This is a bit of a contradiction to the idea behind Thunderbolt, and the way Intel's Desktop Board lineup is designed. It typically consists of Extreme Series, geared for gamers and overclockers; Media Series, for content-creation professionals; Classic Series, for office PCs with room for upgrades; and Essential Series, which well, covers the essentials. None of the supposed Media Series boards from Intel's 7-series chipset based Desktop Board lineup is listing Thunderbolt support, when it's the content-creation industry that stands to be the primary user of the interface. Thunderbolt facilitates ultra-high bandwidth for multiple lossless high-resolution video streams which will help in tomorrow's video-editing systems.

 

[JPgod]

Já era sem tempo.

A questão do Z77 ser o único chipset com thunderbolt, antes de mais é saber se é nativo (integrado directo no silicon) ou com controlador externo. Dá a sensação que é nativo.

Os outros não terão, mas nada impede implementação com o tal controlador externo, como nos Mac's.

Mas É uma estratégia estranha, a Intel usar apenas o chipset "extreme" para isso, quando se calhar muita maquina profissional com H7x e P7X a sair sem isto...

 

[eblain]

A questão do Z77 ser o único chipset com thunderbolt, antes de mais é saber se é nativo (integrado directo no silicon) ou com controlador externo. Dá a sensação que é nativo.

A questão é que a DZ77RE é a única board da Intel com thunderbolt. Não é nativo já que a DZ77GA tem o mesmo Z77 e não suporta.

 

[JPgod]

Não se sabe ainda. A intel pode ter muito bem 2 "sabores" a sair do wafer e as specs serem iguais, excepto um suportar tbolt nativo e o outro não.

Se fosse por controlador externo, todos os chipset 6 ou 7 séries iria suportar... Os computadores Apple utilizam chipsets 6 séries e tem Tbolt. os iMac até utilizam Z68.

Mas isso são boards intel. Vamos ver o restante.

 

[black_edition]

Não se sabe ainda. A intel pode ter muito bem 2 "sabores" a sair do wafer e as specs serem iguais, excepto um suportar tbolt nativo e o outro não.

Se fosse por controlador externo, todos os chipset 6 ou 7 séries iria suportar... Os computadores Apple utilizam chipsets 6 séries e tem Tbolt. os iMac até utilizam Z68.

Mas isso são boards intel. Vamos ver o restante.

Gostava era de ver placas PCI-E com thunderbolt, será que aparecem?

 

[eblain]

Não se sabe ainda. A intel pode ter muito bem 2 "sabores" a sair do wafer e as specs serem iguais, excepto um suportar tbolt nativo e o outro não.

Se fosse por controlador externo, todos os chipset 6 ou 7 séries iria suportar... Os computadores Apple utilizam chipsets 6 séries e tem Tbolt. os iMac até utilizam Z68.

Mas isso são boards intel. Vamos ver o restante.

Será que a Intel fará isso? Mas com controlador externo é possivel os chipset serie 6 e 7 suportarem thunderbolt não?

Gostava era de ver placas PCI-E com thunderbolt, será que aparecem?

Sim espero que apareçam.

 

[MaxDamage]

Intel announces next-gen Thunderbolt with 20 Gbps throughput, 4K support

Here at NAB, Intel just introduced the next generation of its Thunderbolt interface, which promises a data rate of 20 Gbps in both directions (on each of the two channels) as opposed to 10 Gbps for the previous version. Of course, the company stepped back for a moment first, boasting that Thunderbolt currently has about 200 licensees, and more compatible devices -- along with new, thinner cables -- should be coming out in the following months. Building up to the big reveal, Intel also shared some info about its new Thunderbolt host controller, (code-named Redwood Ridge), which will be built into some of Intel's upcoming fourth-gen Core processors.

But let's talk about the real news: the next-gen Thunderbolt tech (code-named Falcon Ridge) enables 4K video file transfer and display simultaneously in addition to running at 20 Gbps. It will be backward-compatible with previous-gen Thunderbolt cables and connectors, and production is set to ramp up in 2014. An on-stage demo with fresh-off-the-press silicon showed the new Thunderbolt running 1,200 Mbps, which is certainly a step up from what's currently on the market. We'll be posting a video of the set-up soon, so keep your browser parked here.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/08/intel-announces-next-gen-thunderbolt-20-gbps-throughput/

 

[edusantos]

Ainda a "primeira geração" não foi adaptada e já falam na segunda?

Cheira-me que o futuro vai ser isto principalmente dada o novo throughput. Imaginem isto:

- Tablets, Portáteis, com Thunderbolt
- Placa Gráfica Externa PCI-E w/ alimentação própria, com Thunderbolt

Façam as contas.

O potencial desta tecnologia é fascinante.

 

[Metro]

Para mim sempre foi.

A pergunta é se é retrocompatível. Se for óptimo.

 

[JPgod]

Para mim sempre foi.

A pergunta é se é retrocompatível. Se for óptimo.

Pena termos ca Macs e não usar esta tecnologia, já que o pouco que existe é muito caro...

Quanto ao compatível, segundo o texto será:

It will be backward-compatible with previous-gen Thunderbolt cables and connectors, and production is set to ramp up in 2014

Até porque parece-me que deve ser simplesmente implementar PCI-e 3.0 na interface e aumentar a resolução que o displayport pode transportar.

 

[kidloco]

Thunderbolt rocks! Nunca mais sai a dock da Belkin para ligar ao portátil

 

[JPgod]

Só comprava isso pelo USB 3.0, coisa que o meu mini não tem, mas 300 $ é muita massa... Quase que mais vale pegar nos 300, vender o mini 2011 e comprar o 2012...

É muito bom para macbooks retina e air, devido as portas extras que não tem no portátil.

 

[kidloco]

Por acaso o USB3 nao me faz falta nenhuma (por enquanto). É mais para ligar o display, rede, headphones, disco FireWire e iphone quando chego ao trabalho.

Ps: tenho um air.

 

[Metro]

Thunderbolt rocks! Nunca mais sai a dock da Belkin para ligar ao portátil

Pois o problema dessa dock é que foi adiada algumas vezes. E o preço também não é propriamente simpático. De qualquer forma para mim também seria suficiente esta opção.

 

[MaxDamage]

Intel formalizes Thunderbolt 2, promises products this year

While Intel gave us the technical rundown on its next iteration of Thunderbolt two months earlier, it's now announced that it will officially be known as the not-particularly-original Thunderbolt 2. Promising 20 Gbps throughput and support for 4K video, Intel is now vowing to bring the port to market sometime this year. For a reminder, we've added the company's NAB demo after the break.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/05/intel-thunderbolt-2-2013-launch/

 

[black_edition]

Intel Announces "Thunderbolt ready" Upgrade Program for Motherboards, PCs

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Now we have a new announcement for you - an exciting new program to quickly expand the footprint of Thunderbolt for desktop and workstation users. This new initiative is called "Thunderbolt ready", and it enables PC manufacturers to offer Thunderbolt upgradeable motherboards within desktop and workstation computers. By using a Thunderbolt card, Thunderbolt's blazing fast speed and uncompressed video capabilities can now be added to any motherboard that includes a GPIO header (general purpose input/output header), so even if your system doesn't have Thunderbolt it is now possible to "upgrade" to it. Users that are interested in adding Thunderbolt 2 technology to an existing Thunderbolt ready system can combine a Thunderbolt card with a growing number of enabled motherboards, all identified by the use of the "Thunderbolt ready" moniker. The Thunderbolt ready program makes it simple to identify which components work together to upgrade your PC with Thunderbolt 2 capability.

The addition of a Thunderbolt ready card to a PC is a simple and straight forward process. All a user needs to do is connect the Thunderbolt card into the designated PCIe slot, connect a cable to the GPIO header, and utilize an available DP (DisplayPort) out connector from the motherboard processor graphics, or an external graphics card, depending on the system. And since a Thunderbolt card comes with all the necessary cables, software, and instructions, upgrading is a breeze.

The initial participant in the Thunderbolt ready program is ASUS, and they have developed the first Thunderbolt card, the ASUS ThunderboltEX II, to go along with the first Thunderbolt ready motherboard, the ASUS Z87 Pro. The ThunderboltEX II is based on Thunderbolt 2 technology, and will be available in December 2013. ASUS is also planning for additional motherboards to be certified within the Thunderbolt ready program in 2014.

"ASUS ThunderboltEX II is the first expansion card certified by Intel as a Thunderbolt 2 upgrade solution - and it gives users a simple, fast and flexible option to upgrade their existing hardware whenever they want," said Joe Hsieh, ASUS Corporate Vice President and General Manager of Motherboard and Desktop System Business Unit. "ASUS worked closely with Intel to ensure the best compatibility, quality and performance across ASUS 8-series Thunderbolt 2-ready motherboards."

Other OEMs are following suit, and a growing number of Thunderbolt ready cards, motherboards, desktops, and workstations will become available in 2014.

Since the beginning, "Is there an add-in card for this?" has been one of the more popular questions asked of Thunderbolt. Today, the answer is an enthusiastic "yes", and the introduction of the Thunderbolt ready program will dramatically increase the availability of Thunderbolt technology, bringing 20 Gbps bandwidth, data and display over a single cable, and daisy-chain connectivity of up to six devices, to a far larger range of users in the marketplace.