R600, Rv610, Rv630

[DJ_PAPA]

AMD's R600 mysteries revealed

Welcome Overdrive, vapour chamber cooler and 12 inchers

ATI'S coming R600 launch is causing fevered speculation and engendering widespread confusion.

Pictures of R600XTX OEM/SI version made the web rounds last weekend, and many readers got asked us what's going on with AMD.

Firstly, the PCB design of these products pictured are identical to the final form factor, and around nine inches long. And there will be a special cooler, designed as a one-off.

We can now reveal to you that the board you have been seeing around the web is actually a specific design which has only one customer right now. The name of that customer is Apple and it will also be available in Crossfire mode.

While we have zero doubts that Dell XPS/Dellienware and some other parties will pick it up as well, right now, the nice red cooler design is just Apple's and Apple's alone.

Personally, I have no doubt that Voodoo PC will ship the R600 with its water-cooling block. The company decided to go with vapour chamber technology, or a 2D version of the traditional heatpipe concept we have all come to know and endure.

Vapour Chamber technology is pretty well known in the world of CPU cooling, thanks to the Danish company named Asetek, and its "VapoChill" systems which propelled CPUs beyond the limits of water-cooling.

Asetek also made a conventional VapoChill Micro cooler, and you can perhaps visualise the R600's cooler as the VapoChill Micro for the GPU. We don't know yet which firm will produce this cooler for AMD/ATI, but we suspect only one or two players are in the frame. Now, the power connector story is a pretty interesting one. At present, there is actually only one design for both OEM/SI and retail/AIBs, and that one is 8-pin/6-pin. You can use 6+6-pin configuration, but if you do not plug 8-pin/6-pin, the ATI Catalyst driver suite will forbid you to enter the "Overdrive Zone".

Yes, you've read it right - the R600XTX is coming out with a legal overclocking mode, no nonsense and limiting overclocking to its partners like some other companies have. The clocks have not been set yet. Even AMD is waiting until a couple of days before the launch before it makes that decision.

The current estimate is that the memory will float between 1 and 1.1GHz GDDR-4 memory in DDR mode (2.0-2.2 GHz), while the GPU clock will be set around 800MHz. Some say 826MHz, but we're not sure how far the Overdrive will go. We'd say not beyond 850 MHz, but that is just my personal opinion.

Our sources tell us that the clock bump should be around 10 per cent for the GPU and 14 per cent for the memory, bringing the total clock to 880/2400-2600. It is insane to see a 700M+ 80nm transistor chip run at such a high clock, especially given the limitations the G80 had with sub-700M chip and 90nm process, but this is an industry where anything that can happen will happen.

These estimates are for the A13 revision. As we wrote quite some time ago, AMD/ATI decided to re-spin the chip to solve some problems it had with the product. It turns out that those problems involved engineers trying to get as high a clock as possible and to try to lower the power consumption, which is pretty steep right now - but still within do-able limits.

The BIOS for the board is now a "smart" one - it will detect whether the GPU is leaking current and will throttle power to prevent thermal or electrical "episodes".

So, the R600XTX has a special OEM/SI design mostly for Apple, the retail versions won't come with water cooling, but rather advanced vapour chamber technology, and the board has 8/6-pin config but can be used with two 6-pin ones - in which case you'll lose the Overdrive feature and stay inside a 225W power envelope, just like Nvidia Geforce 8800GTS . We will bring you more details about the connectivity of R600 boards later in the day. µ

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37614

 

[lucalzada]

Overclockar um X2_3800+ parece brincadeira com uma Vapo. Micro...

Tou pra ver...o que a zalman vai inventar pra esta placa...para fazer melhor...

 

[blastarr]

Desde quando é que a 8800 GTS tem de estar dentro da spec 225W ?
Se não tem duas fichas PCIe, só pode tirar um máximo de 175W.

Outro erro:
Quem não tem deixado que as marcas façam OC às GPU's é a ATI, não a "concorrência".

Aínda outro erro:
GPU Throtling automático é uma coisa que já existe desde o tempo da GeforceFX, e aínda hoje existe proeminentemente nas versões mobile de certas Geforce ("Powermizer")...

 

[Bodygard]

Radeon X2800XTX2 is ATI's dual R600 card at $600

 

[schmusli]

Radeon X2800XTX will work at 750MHz/2200MHz

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37638

THE RADEON X2800XTX will work at 750MHz core clock and the GDDR 4 memory is clocked at 2200MHz. This is how the R600XTX will be known from now on. As always, these clocks are close to final but ATI can still change them till the launch date sometime in March.

The top card has 1024MB of 512-bit GDDR 4 memory working at 2200MHz. This card also has 128 Shaders just as many as Nvidia's G80 chip. It is made on a 80 nanometre marchitecture and it will sell for $600.

We already wrote about the dual one here, called Radeon X2800XTX2. There will be a 512MB version of the Radeon X2800XTX card which will have the same clocks but will sell for $550.

The R600XT becomes the Radeon X2800XT and this card will work with DDR3 memory. The clock speed won't be that dramatic. The card works at 600MHz core and 1800MHz memory. The memory is crippled to 256 bits the card comes with 512MB of these precious clever circuits. It will sell for $500.

R600XL beomes the Radeon X2800XL with the same clocks, 512MB of GDDR 3 memory but 96 shaders. This one will sell for $400.

The last one is the Radeon X2800GTO clocked at 600MHz core and 1400MHz GDDR3 memory. The card has 256MB of 256-bit memory and again 96 Shader units. Cards based on this version of the R600 chip will cost $300 and are positioned to take on Nvidia's Geforce 8800 GTS 320MB.

All together the list climbed to six cards and some partners might do the water cooling one. Just before we posted this one we received this link here that matches our information. This picture originated at OCWbench forum. At press time I cannot confirm the specs of X2600 and X2300 cards but it looks real enough. µ

 

[strafejump]

128 shaders? Não era suposto ser 64x4?

 

[blastarr]

Tal como eu disse mais atrás nesta thread, aqui está a confirmação de que a tabela era fake:

It's Official. R600 is Radeon X2900 Series


VR-Zone has learned that the official marketing name for R600 will be Radeon X2900 series and we will start using the name from now on. We can expect AMD to launch Radeon X2900XTX and XT first while X2900XL will follow later. The recent leaked R6xx series chart with pricing contains lots of false information is all we can say. RV610 and RV630 are 65nm and RV610 has 64-bit memory interface.

Among other things we can confirm right now; R600 is 80nm, contains 700M transistors and has 512-bit memory interface. X2900 requires 2 supplemental power connector from the PSU, one 8-pin and one 6-pin but you are able to plug in the 6-pin power cable into the 8-pin connector. The targeted driver release version for X2900 series is Catalyst 8.35.1. Systems with X2900XTX cards and tech demos will be at CeBIT but inside a private room for the privileged only.

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4672

 

[mascarilha]

R600 Delivers Video & Audio Data Using HDMI

INQ reported that R600 architecture will utilize PCI Express x16 connection to the fullest by delivering both video and audio content using HDMI. R600 board will be shipped with at least one DVI-to-HDMI dongle, with DVI serving as the bandwidth provider for video and audio. R600 chip has the bandwidth to drive not one, but two HDMI ports at the same time with resolution at 1920x1080 (1080p or 2560x1440 (1440p).

http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=4678

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[DJ_PAPA]

Radeon X2600XT and X2300 details elaborated

RV610 and RV630 heading for May

WE ALREADY told you that RV610 and RV630 chips are 65 nanometre. Unfortunately not all the details from this article and table are correct.

The RV630 is going to be known as the Radeon X2600XT and PRO. Radeon X2600XT is going to end up clocked at 650MHz core and 1600MHz GDDR3 memory with 256MB memory and 64 Shaders. To our surprise the card only supports a 128-bit memory interface. It should cost around $200. This will be ATI's first 65 nanometre chip.

The Radeon X2600PRO will end up witha 550MHz core clock with 1400MHz GDDR3 memory and a 128-bit memory interface. The card also has 64 Shader units, so sixteen more than the R580 current high-end chip. It is priced at $150.

Radeons X2300XT, PRO and LE are RV610. The top-of-the-line Radeon X2300XT is clocked at 650MHz and has the memory ticking away at 1400MHz. The card uses GDDR3 memory with a 128-bit memory controller and has 32 Shader units. It is another 65 nanometre chip and the card will sell for $100.

Necxt up is the Radeon X2300PRO with 500MHz core and 1400MHz GDDR3 memory with 128-bit memory controller. It has 32 Shader units, 65 nanometre and the 256MB version will sell for $80 while the 128Mbyter should sell for $70.

The last in this DirectX 10 mainstream and low-end, unified Shader line-up is the Radeon X2300LE. This card will end up clocked at 500MHz core and 800MHz memory. It uses 128MB of 128-bit GDDR 2 memory and will have 32 Shader units. The chip is 65nm, very low power consuming and will sell for around $60. A Direct X 10 card for $60 sounds like a nice bargain for Vista.

There cards are expected to launch after around the beginning of May. µ

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37657

 

[DJ_PAPA]

AMD Releases Final "R600" Specs

Passemos a noticias oficiais:

Six weeks from now, the world will get the first retail Radeon X2900 XTX

Late yesterday DailyTech was briefed on the final details for the upcoming R600 retail specifications, just in time for everyone to go on vacation for Chinese New Year.

AMD's guidance claims R600 will feature 700 million transistors. By comparison, the Radeon X1900 series R580 GPU incorporated 384 million transistors into its design; the half-generation before that, R520, only featured 320 million.

As disclosed by DailyTech earlier this year, the GPU features a full 512-bit memory interface with support for GDDR3 and GDDR4. R580 was also similar in this regard as it supported GDDR3 and GDDR4.

On March 30, 2007, AMD will initially debut the R600 as the ATI Radeon X2900 XTX in two separate configurations: one for OEMs and another for retail. The OEM version is the full length 12" card that will appear in high-end systems.

ATI guidance claims the X2900 XTX retail card comes as a two-slot, 9.5" design with a vapor chamber cooler. Vapor chambers are already found on high-end CPU coolers, so it would be no surprise to see such cooling on a high-end GPU either. The OEM version of the card is a 12" layout and features a quiet fan cooler.

1GB of GDDR4 memory is the reference configuration for Radeon X2900 XTX. Memory on the reference X2900 XTX cards was supplied by Samsung.

Approximately one month later, the company will launch the GDDR3 version of the card. This card, dubbed the Radeon X2900 XT, features 512MB of GDDR3 and lower clock frequencies than the X2900 XTX. The X2900 XT is also one of the first Radeons to feature heatpipes on the reference design.

AMD anticipates the target driver for X2900 XT to be Catalyst 8.36. WHQL release of the X2900 XTX drive will appear around the Ides of March.

Radeon X2900 will feature native CrossFire support via an internal bridge interface -- there is no longer a need for the external cable found on the Radeon X1000 series CrossFire. There is no Master card, as was the case with other high-end CrossFire setups. Any Radeon X2900 can act as the Master card.

A much anticipated feature, native HDMI, will appear on all three versions of Radeon X2900.

One 6-pin and one 8-pin (2x4) VGA power connectors are featured on Radeon X2900, but both connectors are also backwards compatible with 6-pin power supply cables.

AMD claims the R600 target schedule will be a hard launch -- availability is expected to be immediate. Board partners will be able to demonstrate R600 at CeBIT 2007 (March 15 - 21), but the only available cards will be reference designs.

Why was there such discrepancy with the board layouts and designs up until now? An ATI insider, who wished to remain nameless, states "The original Quad-Stealth design is what we build the R600 on: GDDR4, full-length and dual-slot cooling. As the silicon further revised, [ATI] took up several alternative designs which eventually included GDDR3 and heatpipes into the specification. The release cards demonstrate the versatility of R600 in each of these unique setups."

Final clock frequencies will likely remain estimates until later this month.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6138

 

[mascarilha]

tal como se previa a sua disponibilidade vais ser imediata , logo após a sua apresentaçao


boas noticias



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[DO2]

Só a 30 de Março? :/ tanto tempo, mais de um mês, espero mesmo que valha a pena. Já deram noticias sobre o preço? E se bem entendi vai ser possível ligar outra gráfica em Crossfire sem que seja o mesmo modelo? Isso aplica-se também para série X1000 ou é só para X2000? Obrigado

 

[ajax]

Atacam todos os mercados com este novo chip R6xx. Nada mau. Gráfica para Vista a $60 ? eheheh Vai vender em barda

 

[Ansatsu]

Oh DJ_PAPA dizer que a R600 tem 700 milhões de Transistors(+/- o mm k a G80) e que usa 512bits nas memorias é dizer as specs finais? lol...

Daqui a mês e meio elas devem sair e logo se vê.

 

[DJ_PAPA]

Oh DJ_PAPA dizer que a R600 tem 700 milhões de Transistors(+/- o mm k a G80) e que usa 512bits nas memorias é dizer as specs finais? lol...

Daqui a mês e meio elas devem sair e logo se vê.

O que eu escrevi é o titulo da noticia da Anandtech:
AMD Releases Final "R600" Specs
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6138

E ja agora lias tudo o que ta la escrito:
- 700 million transistors
- full 512-bit memory
- GDDR3 and GDDR4
- two-slot, 9.5" design with a vapor chamber cooler
- Modelos 1GB of GDDR4 e 512Mb GDDR3
- native CrossFire
- native HDMI
- 6-pin and one 8-pin, backwards compatible with 6-pin

 

[tmgp]

gostava de saber onde vai parar esta parvoíce de consumo nas gráficas... já se punha um travão nisto :/

mas as aparentes datas de lançamento continuam tardias e a nvidia continua a abastecer e bem o mercado... já se despachavam para agitar as coisas

 

[Koncaman]

gostava de saber onde vai parar esta parvoíce de consumo nas gráficas... já se punha um travão nisto :/

mas as aparentes datas de lançamento continuam tardias e a nvidia continua a abastecer e bem o mercado... já se despachavam para agitar as coisas

não é um problema partilhado pelas graficas em geral, apenas por estas placas high end.

placas mid e low end (que são as que vendem mais) têm vindo com consumos bastante satisfatorios, e performance q.b. para a maioria dos jogadores ocasionais.

estas placas high end são uma especie de show case "look how clever we are"... mas as vendas são pouco representativas.

o mundo não vai começar a cair aos bocados por causa deste tipo de placas gastar muito.

também não andamos aqui todos chateados por causa dos supercomputadores consumirem milhares de kilowatts.

 

[raVemjr]

Alguem sabe explicar o que e vapor chamber?

Presumo que seja arrefecimento a vapor, mas numa grafica standard?

 

[tmgp]

não é um problema partilhado pelas graficas em geral, apenas por estas placas high end.

placas mid e low end (que são as que vendem mais) têm vindo com consumos bastante satisfatorios, e performance q.b. para a maioria dos jogadores ocasionais.

estas placas high end são uma especie de show case "look how clever we are"... mas as vendas são pouco representativas.

o mundo não vai começar a cair aos bocados por causa deste tipo de placas gastar muito.

também não andamos aqui todos chateados por causa dos supercomputadores consumirem milhares de kilowatts.

não queria responder para não entrar em offtopic, mas vou fazê-lo porque acho importante.

dado que existem gráficas no consumo que vão dos 70 aos 600 eur, considero 300 eur (8800gts 320mb) gama média e não topo de gama, e estas gamas médias já consomem demais, logo discordo com a tua primeira argumentação.

o consumo energético é uma questão de princípio e que devia estar muito mais presente no equipamento energético. se tu não te incomodas com isso existe quem se incomode. seja nas gráficas seja nos supercomputadores. se a tecnologia permite mais eficiência que se use, pois estamos a falar de um bem maior, a poupança de recursos.

falo contra mim que tenho uma 8800, mas se se confirmar o die-shrink para um modelo menos esfomeado, farei tudo para trocar.

mas voltemos às r600...

 

[Ansatsu]

não queria responder para não entrar em offtopic, mas vou fazê-lo porque acho importante.

dado que existem gráficas no consumo que vão dos 70 aos 600 eur, considero 300 eur (8800gts 320mb) gama média e não topo de gama, e estas gamas médias já consomem demais, logo discordo com a tua primeira argumentação.

o consumo energético é uma questão de princípio e que devia estar muito mais presente no equipamento energético. se tu não te incomodas com isso existe quem se incomode. seja nas gráficas seja nos supercomputadores. se a tecnologia permite mais eficiência que se use, pois estamos a falar de um bem maior, a poupança de recursos.

falo contra mim que tenho uma 8800, mas se se confirmar o die-shrink para um modelo menos esfomeado, farei tudo para trocar.

mas voltemos às r600...

Não concordo ctg. Não é o preço mas sim a potencia da placa.

Quer dizer, se a nvidia lhe desse na tola e dissesse, vamos passar a vender a 8800GTX a 100€. A placa passava automaticamente a ser Low-End?

8800GTS 320 e 640 são High End, a 8800GTX é Ultra High End.

Media Gama vão ser as 8600 e suas variantes.
Baixa gama as 8300 e suas variantes.



Quando a 8900GTX sair, a 8800 deve passar de Ultra para High End, e ai sim. a 8800GTS deverá ser considerada media gama, e mesmo assim...