Gráfica Intel is licensing AMD's graphics - Confirmado!!!!

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Sei que isto já foi falado por cá mas não encontrei o tópico.

Basicamente temos novo rumor deste suposto licenciamento:

Intel is licensing AMD's graphics

Done deal

We can confirm rumours that Intel has given up on Nvidia written a cheque to licence AMD's graphics.

It looks like the veteran GPU editor Kyle Bennet was right when he first reported the rumour, however wild it sounded. We did have think about it and wrote about it several times. Intel needs a GPU license and the Nvidia – Intel licensing agreement has ended on March 17 2017, so Intel doesn’t have a license. It is more likely that Intel has a license from AMD but neither company has officially announced it.

Apple is licensing the GPU from Imagination technologies at least for the next eighteen to twenty-four months until it gets its own. Samsung, MediaTek use ARM or Imagination graphics IP but without of these two have a good desktop / notebook graphics. Qualcomm acquired a huge set of IP from ATI when it was known as Imagion, and was the foundation for the Adreno today.

Nvidia Intel's shotgun wedding ends in divorce
If you are in Intel’s shoes,there are two options, Nvidia or AMD. We know that Nvidia sued Intel and forced it into settlement and now that the shotgun wedding is over, Intel wants out. Nvidia and Intel had a lot of disagreements over the Nforce chipset and the licensing, that resulted with $1.5 Billion settlement that Intel agreed to pay for five years. It does tend to sour a marriage somewhat if you go to court BEFORE the honeymoon, or indeed the marriage.

AMD needs money and licensing is a healthy revenue stream that will keep it going for numerous of quarters. The licensing money usually positively affects the gross margin, again something that AMD desperately trying to improve.

AMD loves Intel
Raja Koduri, Senior Vice President and Chief Architect, Radeon Technologies Group worked at Apple and was working closely with Intel too. He probably played an important role in these negotiation.

It remains to be seen when it will be formally announced and when it will start affecting AMD’s bottom line. The cooperation and agreement will allow Intel to access AMD’s graphics Intellectual Properties and most things Radeonish,

AMD will weaken its position to fight Intel on in the integrated solutions, but licensing money should help overcome that issue. Despite that fact that these companies compete, they are close when it comes to graphics.

Of course, know when we know the existence of the deal, we will try to get more details about the potential new products and if the Radeon will get inside of the future Intel CPUs. Intel takes time to implement a new architecture.
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EDIT: Post com a informação oficial
 
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Não significa nada. A Intel não tem as patentes necessárias para fazer GPUs, simplesmente faz um acordo com alguem que tenha tudo o que precisam e pode continuar a ser o maior fabricante de gpus do mundo, como é actualmente.
 
desculpem a minha ignorançia neste aspecto.
mas licenciar o que?
licenciar é pedir autorizaçao para usar qualquer coisa , pelo que deu para entender do post inicial , este licenciamento era da Nvidia que deu para o torto (como ultimamente é apanagio da Nvidia).
Entao ... é a licença de que ? para poder pôr 560 e 550 em vez do intel HD ?
ou é licença para usar patentes ?? e tem assim acesso à propriedade intelectual que fala o post?
 
É para licenciar parte da forma como as IGPU's da intel funcionam pois tudo começou com um processo da Nvidia sobre a Intel por violarem patentes e eles foram forçados a pagar à Nvidia para usar a patente deles mas agora pelos vistos vão trocar pela patente da AMD. Agora que parte da IGPU isto se refere? Por enquanto ainda não se sabe.
 
Basicamente para poderes ter um GPU no mercado tens de licenciar centenas (senão milhares) de patentes a vários vendors (nVIDIA, AMD, S3, Google, Apple, Imagination, Qualcomm, etc).

No fundo é um ninho de cobras e no caso da Intel (e futuramente da Apple) a maneira mais fácil é aceder a apenas um vendor que te faça licenciamento do pacote completo.

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Curiosamente após escrever isto lembrei-me de ir ver a situação da patente S3TC da S3 e parece que termina em Outubro deste ano!!!! Finalmente pois isto sempre foi uma cruz nos drivers open-source que não estavam autorizados a usar esta compressão de textura que é necessária para tantos jogos...
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Intel Denies Graphics IP Licensing Deal with AMD

You must've read recent reports on the web about an AMD-Intel licensing deal. We purposefully didn't cover that information, spread on May 15th, based on an expiring graphics IP licensing deal between NVIDIA and Intel. The initial report said that since that deal was expiring, Intel was now turning to its x86 arch-enemy, AMD. It would seem those reports weren't based on facts, having since been denied by Intel, who told Barron's Tiernan Ray that "the recent rumors that Intel has licensed AMD's graphics technology are untrue."

Investors and speculators are an attentive bunch, and jumped at the original rumor, expecting another million-dollar licensing deal. As a result of the Intel-AMD licensing deal rumor, AMD's stock soared by 12% even before AMD's Financial Analyst day. Naturally, after Intel rectified the story, AMD's stock proceeded to correct the speculative bubble, dropping back to previous levels. AMD could have denied the deal as much as Intel could (it takes two to tango), but chose not to. The company played smartly, keeping its cards close to its chest with a "no comment" posture regarding the rumor. This let AMD AMD play on it, seeing their stock increase (even if it was a short-lived scenario, now rectified in its stock value.)
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Penso que com isto temos o fim desta novela.
 
antes também tinham licença da Nvidia e ninguem falava disso portanto todos vão ver a placa como intel gráphics apesar de ser com base AMD.
 
Atenção que pelo que dizes até parece que a gráfica era baseada em tecnologia da nVIDIA. A nVIDIA apenas disponibilizava licenciamento e não IPs.
 
Oh shit, era mesmo verdade. :|

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rivals-intel-and-amd-team-up-on-pc-chips-to-battle-nvidia-1509966064

Não consigo colocar o conteudo da noticia devido ao paywall.

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Intel showed a reference notebook of the sort that will be enhanced by the AMD-Intel partnership. The large, black blank space is designed to be used for drawing with the stylus and for other digital content creation.
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Today Intel (and AMD) are announcing a partnership to create processors using Intel's high-performance x86 cores, AMD Radeon Graphics, and HBM2 within a single processor package using Intel's latest EMIB technology for multi-die designs.
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Usa HBM2 :|

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1200...with-amd-radeon-graphics-with-hbm2-using-emib

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The new product, which will be part of our 8th Gen Intel Core family, brings together our high-performing Intel Core H-series processor, second generation High Bandwidth Memory (HBM2) and a custom-to-Intel third-party discrete graphics chip from AMD’s Radeon Technologies Group* – all in a single processor package.

It’s a prime example of hardware and software innovations intersecting to create something amazing that fills a unique market gap. Helping to deliver on our vision for this new class of product, we worked with the team at AMD’s Radeon Technologies Group. In close collaboration, we designed a new semi-custom graphics chip, which means this is also a great example of how we can compete and work together, ultimately delivering innovation that is good for consumers.
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https://newsroom.intel.com/editoria...nce-cpu-discrete-graphics-sleek-thin-devices/

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One interesting wrinkle: Intel will be responsible for supplying the drivers for the Radeon GPU, though company engineers won’t write the original code. An Intel representative said they’re working closely with AMD’s Radeon business to supply “day one” drivers for new games, when those drivers become available.
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What’s next? Answering the questions
Unfortunately, we still don’t know the answers to several basic questions: How fast will these new cores run? How many variants of these new Core-Radeon chips will there be? What Intel Core architecture—Kaby Lake, or Kaby Lake-R—are they based upon? Does HBM2 memory confirm that the Radeon core is based upon the AMD “Vega” architecture, and how does it compare to existing chips? How much memory is inside the package? Will the new Core-Radeon modules incorporate AMD-specific features such as VSR, Eyefinity, and Async Compute? And, of course, how much will it all cost?

The latter two questions can be answered in broad strokes. The idea, according to an AMD representative, is that these notebooks won’t be priced in the value segment at all, but in the neighborhood of $1,200 to $1,400 apiece. Meanwhile, Intel executives say that notebook PCs based on the new H-series, Core-Radeon modules will move gaming-class graphics down from systems 26mm thick, to thin-and-light PCs at 16mm and even 11mm thick — that’s slimmer than the original 13-inch Apple MacBook Air, and priced accordingly. (To get a sense of just how thin this is, see our 2012 review of the Acer Aspire S5. A laptop based on the Core-Radeon module would be far, far more powerful, however.)

An AMD representative also said that there’s nothing prohibiting any AMD graphics technology like VSR from being included in the Core-Radeon chip—but that in terms of specifics, it’s up to Intel to decide.

According to Intel representatives, we’ll get more of those answers closer to launch. For now, however, there’s the simple surprise that the two sides came together to make this happen. For those who have watched the acrimonious AMD-Intel relationship play out in court, in the market, and behind closed doors for several decades, even a limited contract seemed out of the realm of possibility. But now, who knows what the future holds?
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https://www.pcworld.com/article/323...md-ship-a-core-chip-with-radeon-graphics.html
 
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Vamos ver os resultados que a AMD tirará disto.

É certo que vai vender mais chips, mas em contrapartida também vai perder clientes para os seus APUs.

Tendo a Intel uma enorme influência no mercado, resta esperar que não engulam por completo os APUs da AMD no mercado dos portáteis.
 
Excelente notícia.
Finalmente vai ser possível ter um GPU de jeito em pacotes ultrabook. Isto pode até chegar a incomodar a NVIDIA nas gamas mais baixas de GPU não integrado.

EDIT: @reiszink - bem visto, nem tinha pensado nisso. Mas repara, se não fosse AMD seria NVIDIA e aí a AMD perderia 2 vezes.
 
Isto era o que eu tinha em mente para o futuro portátil da AMD... com APUs AMD.
Assim, parece-me que estão a dar à Intel o ás de trunfo. Talvez esteja a falhar em ver a "big picture", não sei...
 
a mim parece-me é que será bom para a AMD com aquele pessoal que percebe pouco disto e só compra portáteis com intel e a amd consegue ir buscar dinheiro nestes casos

se isto é suficiente face às pessoas que comprariam APU amd e assim podem optar por isto é que já não sei

ou seja dependendo de que lado da balança fica mais pesado até pode compensar
 
Parece que estão simplesmente a assumir que nunca conseguirão competir em campo aberto com a intel, com a sua capacidade de engenharia, com a capacidade de fabrico e com a sua capacidade de marketing (no sentido correcto e não no termo pejorativo panfletário que o termo é geralmente utilizado).

Assim mais vale ganhar dinheiro com a intel que continuar a bater na parede. Na realidade em termos históricos a AMD até já teve CPUs mais competitivos que actualmente e nunca passou de um mercado para entusiastas, tesos ou os dois ao mesmo tempo.
 
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